Headline is weird. It's not a copyright thing, as I had assumed. It was because it was an editorial criticizing how the administration is running the NIH.

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Terr_ 4 hours ago | parent | next [-]

And not an arbitrary editorial, but:

> > Some questioned how handing out reprints of an editorial published in the ADA’s own journal, at the ADA’s own annual conference, could be construed as a violation of that code.

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embedding-shape 3 hours ago | parent [-]

You're not allowed to hand out your own articles you've published in the journal that the conference is about? One could start questioning what this conference is really about, if authors aren't allowed to provide a copy of their work to people they talk to... No one bats an eye about that almost every paper author shares their papers with you when you email them, but when you do so in person it's suddenly a problem?

	▲	astura 2 hours ago \| parent [-]
		TFA makes the same point - >The scientists were not disruptive or disorderly in their conduct, based on the videos posted by MedPage Today, although the fact that they were handing out reprints just before an NIH representative was scheduled to speak might be construed as a form of protest. But it could just as easily be argued that such actions fall under valid scientific dissemination and discussion, the conference’s stated objective.

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sailfast 2 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

It was because the group made the mistake of inviting the federal appointee currently running NIH.

This would probably have been fine if this administration was not comprised of individuals that cannot abide any sort of pushback.

The protest would not have been needed without the official there - but their presence made the organizers so nervous that they tossed the editor in chief of their own journal.

The problem is how deep the federal dollars go into these systems that enable fear of pulling it. That is the mechanism of control. Our own tax dollars being weaponized.

	▲	JumpCrisscross an hour ago \| parent [-]
		> problem is how deep the federal dollars go into these systems The problem is no state AG suing to stop OMB and HHS from illegally re-appropriating funds directed by the Congress for diabetes research. Like, the multi-year funding shenanigan called out in the article is literally accounting fuckery.

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bluGill 3 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Protesting is not allowed by the rules.

Though there is a good case that breaking that rule is the best action. Getting kicked out probably did more for their cause then their protest. They just need the guts to publicly stand by.

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adrian_b 2 hours ago | parent [-]

Others have already quoted TFA, which rightly points that the distributing (by some of the coauthors) of an article published in the journal of a medical association, at the conference of the said medical association, a conference which has the claimed purpose of exchanging information between the members who attend the conference, can hardly be called a "protest" or a "violation of the code of conduct".

There are few cases where it is so clear cut that only the organizers have violated the code of conduct, and not those who were expelled from the conference.

	▲	brookst an hour ago \| parent [-]
		Yeah this is like pointing out that it’s raining, when it is raining, at a conference about rain, when the only controversial thing is that a massively corrupt administration has announced that there’s no such thing as rain. If assertions of truth are cast as an anti-government protests, that says a lot about the government.

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astura 2 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Yep, the article itself, Misguided Brushes of a Pen Continue to Dismantle and Destroy Biomedical Research in the United States: We Can No Longer Afford Complacency and Fear. We Must All Act Now!, is marked as "free" and is available without a paywall- https://diabetesjournals.org/care/article/49/6/901/164764/Mi...

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Forgeties79 4 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

An editorial published in the (reputable) journal Diabetes Care, which they handed out at a diabetes conference. I imagine if it wasn’t critical of the administration they would not have been told to stop, but this is Louisiana so

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eesmith 4 hours ago | parent | next [-]

And one of the people kicked out was Steven Kahn, a co-author of the editorial, and editor-in-chief of Diabetes Care.

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metalman 3 hours ago | parent [-]

[flagged]

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Forgeties79 3 hours ago | parent [-]

You can’t talk to people like that here. https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html

	▲	metalman 2 hours ago \| parent [-]
		absurdist irony concerning a surreal incident has been construed as a real adhominum attack? ok!, I'm good with that! thanks! for the flag! edit: if I get "ejected" from this thread the irony, and company will be perfect

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astura 40 minutes ago | parent | prev [-]

Diabetes Care isn't just a reputable journal, it is the flagship publication of the American Diabetes Association, the organizers of the conference!