| ▲ | petcat 5 hours ago |
| USA almost certainly spies on Israel (and everyone else) far deeper than anyone spies on them. |
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| ▲ | parthdesai 5 hours ago | parent | next [-] |
| They sure do, but looking at recent events, you can make an educated guess on which country has more influence over the other. Part of it can be attributed to spying and knowing dark? secrets. |
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| ▲ | hammock 4 hours ago | parent [-] | | > They sure do Do you have an example? | | |
| ▲ | melenaboija 4 hours ago | parent | next [-] | | As much as they don’t, that’s why it’s spying. But given the budget for spying agencies the guess is they might be doing something and it wouldn’t be intelligent not to spy on Israel, something I don’t believe to be true even for this administration. | |
| ▲ | parthdesai 4 hours ago | parent | prev [-] | | Given that US spies on other countries, including allies (countless examples), I wouldn't rule out them spying on Israel either. | | |
| ▲ | hammock 12 minutes ago | parent [-] | | You seem to have forgotten to answer the question of an example. Or when you said “they sure do” did you mean “they possibly do,” since no example is available but you can’t rule it out? |
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| ▲ | screye 4 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| It's hilarious listening to CIA insiders talk about spying. John Kiriakou [1] will spend 3 hours talking about the CIA's torture program (illegal) and NSA spying on Americans (illegal). In the same conversation, he will insist that the US would never spy on Israel because it is illegal. Who is this fooling ? [1] Senior ex-CIA official, whistleblower & internet meme phenomenon. |
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| ▲ | Bender 4 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| Who knows who's telling the truth these days. [1] I just assume it's always spy-vs-spy every which way from Sunday. [1] - https://www.youtube.com/shorts/vukPEDWaBHg |
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| ▲ | hammock 5 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| Since the 1951 Angleton-Harel Secret Pact, there has been an unwritten agreement that CIA and Mossad will not spy on each others countries. Kiriakou (who is a wonk) confirmed as much in recent remarks. But no one without at least a TS really knows |
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| ▲ | ma2kx 4 hours ago | parent | next [-] | | Kiriakou also stated several times that the Mossad was known to casually try to recruit CIA agents: https://youtu.be/R7OWqAgGzwA?t=163 | | |
| ▲ | hammock 4 hours ago | parent [-] | | That speaks to my comment (which was not sufficiently specified I guess) but it does not speak to “the USA spies on Israel” which is what I was replying to | | |
| ▲ | ma2kx 4 hours ago | parent [-] | | Okay, but I don't think Kiriakou would explicitly admit if the US spied specifically on Israel. I think at most we get a indirect "confession" like Andrew Bustamante gave in some podcasts like here, where he answers to the question if the US spies on the Mossad that everybody spies on everybody and than distract to the case were the US was caught spying on (it's ally) Germany:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mZklvHVsaT4 PS: I guess at the end you didn't spy until you were caught spying. | | |
| ▲ | hammock 14 minutes ago | parent [-] | | By all reports, the USA only has agreements not to spy on Five Eyes (plus secretly, Israel). Germany is not in that group. Ally has nothing to do with it. And it sounds like you are setting up an untestable claim. Can’t help you there. Believe what you want. |
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| ▲ | ceejayoz 4 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | There's written legislation saying the CIA/NSA/etc. can't spy on Americans. Guess what happens anyways? | |
| ▲ | throwaway902984 4 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | He has CIA experience but his word shouldn't just be taken at face value. The man has unsettling views on buying pardons and excuses some other things away as well. Kiriakou shouldn't be trusted, IMO. That said, he probably isn't wrong at all about this particular thing. | |
| ▲ | opsnooperfax 4 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | I think he said in that interview that the CIA does not spy on Israel. It does not apply the other way around. Based on policy decisions, this seems very believable to me. | |
| ▲ | petcat 5 hours ago | parent | prev [-] | | > unwritten agreement | | |
| ▲ | hammock 5 hours ago | parent [-] | | Ah I forgot writing has magic powers. Especially between nation states. /s In this case the writing part is not important. |
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| ▲ | croes 5 hours ago | parent | prev [-] |
| Quod licet Iovi, non licet bovi |
