| ▲ | Aboutplants 5 hours ago |
| Legitimate question, what would Israel need that we don’t already openly provide? |
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| ▲ | jarym 5 hours ago | parent | next [-] |
| Protection from the risk that the tide might turn on them despite their extensive political lobbying? Just taking a guess here but probably not far off. |
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| ▲ | ceejayoz 5 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| Dirt on anyone proposing that we stop openly providing such assistance? |
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| ▲ | Animats 5 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| "The designation stems from concerns within the Pentagon that Israel is making a particular effort to surveil top U.S. officials to get information on the Trump administration’s internal deliberations and decision-making on the conflicts in the Middle East, the officials said." So Israel wants to know what Trump is going to do next. |
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| ▲ | gosub100 4 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| One of the YouTube "CIA former spies" explained it very well (paraphrasing): "we shared the F-35 with them, but we kept about 10% of the technology to ourselves and sold them a variant. That wasn't enough for them, they ran an espionage operation to get the remaining 10%". |
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| ▲ | make3 5 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| there's currently disagreements with Israel on their approach to Lebanon being way more aggressively and murderous than "necessary", whatever that means. https://thehill.com/homenews/administration/5904899-trump-ne... |
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| ▲ | anonu 5 hours ago | parent [-] | | The well publicized disagreements are just diplomatic cover. The USA can look tough. Israel might back off for a little bit. Everyone looks good for a moment. Reason has prevailed. Then it'll all go back to Israel's criminal "gaza policy" in South Lebanon, continuing the wanton murder of 1000s of civilians under the guise of "they use children as shields". Well yeah, it's endless guerilla warfare and now hezb has drones. Diplomacy is the only way. | | |
| ▲ | lyu07282 12 minutes ago | parent [-] | | You can't really negotiate when one party is a religious fanatical death cult and the other one is Hezbollah. |
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| ▲ | CommanderData 5 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| The vessel state now fully controls its host, but I think public sentiment is reversing it just a little. |
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| ▲ | Arodex 5 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| Trump doesn't let Bibi bomb Lebanon and doesn't fight to the last American in Iran |
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| ▲ | rolph 5 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| combat is a dynamic situation, if you have no idea what its participants can/cant/will/wont do, you cant formulate prevailing tactics. situational awareness is best when first hand, as someone may be lying to you, or may not even know what they are doing in the first place. |
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| ▲ | basisword 4 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| New blackmail material in case Trump starts to turn on them? |
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| ▲ | s5300 5 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
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| ▲ | basilgohar 5 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
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| ▲ | MilnerRoute 5 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | UPDATED COMMENT: Wikipedia says the 1967 attack on the U.S.S. Liberty was "a mistake due to Israeli confusion about the ship's identity," according to both U.S. and Israeli governments. (Though they also note people who question that conclusion...) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/USS_Liberty_incident | | |
| ▲ | yde_java 5 hours ago | parent | next [-] | | Might be an attempt to correct history after the bad fact. There are huge budgets nowadays set up to correct public opinion, e.g. https://www.timesofisrael.com/foreign-ministry-to-receive-ma... Edit: a more recent article mentions a budget of $730M: https://www.timesofisrael.com/israel-just-quintupled-its-pr-... | | |
| ▲ | karp773 4 hours ago | parent | next [-] | | Despite the budget, that is clearly one thing where Israel has fallen behind its adversaries. | |
| ▲ | bawolff 5 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | Conspiracies are always possible, but also keep in mind that parking a ship in the middle of a war zone is always a bad idea. In modern conflicts, significant casualities come from friendly fire incidents. If armies cant even consistently not accidentally target their own troops, it seems entirely plausible they accidentally hit a neutral ship hanging out in the middle of a war zone. I think the biggest issue with this conspiracy theory is why Israel would want to take out the liberty? It seems like the events would be strongly detrimental to Israeli interests. Nobody has really come up with a compelling motive, which suggests to me the most likely scenario is accident/miscommunication. | |
| ▲ | jfiejfkdjs 5 hours ago | parent | prev [-] | | But everyone has such budgets, so you could easily argue there's an attempt to revise history in both directions. And I can assure you the sum of the Chinese, Russian, Iranian and gulf budgets far surpass that of Israel's. | | |
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| ▲ | Bender 5 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | Public wiki's may be subject to alternate reality. [1] [1] - https://www.youtube.com/shorts/au7GlkiF2O4 | |
| ▲ | basilgohar 5 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | Uh-huh. The official story two very trustworthy sources on the matter. The coverup and silencing of the survivors and threats to their persons and families if they attempted to tell their stories are probably just coincidences. | |
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| ▲ | Forgeties79 5 hours ago | parent | prev [-] | | Don’t feed the troll^ |
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| ▲ | bawolff 5 hours ago | parent | prev [-] |
| I mean, they did just start a war with iran as a joint venture with trump. I could understand why anyone who starts a joint venture with trump would be nervous about trump selling them out. It is trump after all. Probably is a logical thing to be concerned about. |
