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wnmurphy a day ago

Which means more Grok degradation, more severe throttling, etc.

I can't understand why xAI charges 50% more per month for Grok over competitors when it doesn't even gracefully downgrade to a cheaper model when paid subscribers hit the limit.

root-parent a day ago | parent | next [-]

Who uses Grok? Not even SpaceX engineers that is known...

glimshe a day ago | parent | next [-]

Grok is pretty good. It really excels when the results can be improved by deep online search. It tends to be more aggressive in looking things up than competitors. I use it in certain situations.

sheepscreek a day ago | parent [-]

It’s exceptionally fast at it too. I love using it for looking up things where recency matters.

cherry_tree a day ago | parent [-]

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gitaarik 2 hours ago | parent [-]

That's maybe a bit of an unfair, out-of-balance comment. Google Gemini had it's own fails on the other side of the extreme. Both have corrected themselves. Don't keep coming up with old stuff.

rootusrootus a day ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Tesla drivers, at least for a few minutes each day before hitting the limit.

brianwawok a day ago | parent [-]

I am a Tesla driver and I never knew it had a limit, which tells you how much I use it.

rootusrootus 16 hours ago | parent [-]

A surprising number of people have conversations with Grok every day and hit the limit in a hurry. Not my thing, either.

guywithahat a day ago | parent | prev | next [-]

I've used/use it. For a while it had one of the best lightweight coding LLM's, which actually lead to a #1 spot on openrouter usage ranking although they've fallen off the top 10 used now. It's also provided some good reasoning models, which perform better when dealing with non-PC topics.

Also, although I've never used it for this, I believe some of the paid models produce some of the best "adult" content, and I know there are even subreddits which do nothing but praise Grok and "content" produces who use it.

nikcub a day ago | parent | next [-]

> which actually lead to a #1 spot on openrouter usage

that was only because it was free

infecto a day ago | parent [-]

+1. The coding model was fine and it was fast but the fact that it was free was a massive boost.

yread a day ago | parent | prev [-]

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guywithahat a day ago | parent [-]

Without giving too many details I thought it would be fun to make 2D games based off of banned books (sort of as a marketing ploy, paradoxically everybody likes banned books). Camp of the saints seemed like a good target, which is a fictional book based in 1980's France dealing with incoming flotillas of immigration. I found that ChatGPT would push back on the premise of the novel instead of coding, while grok models just called things "edgy" and went to work.

I have more examples (mostly dealing with realtime web filtering) but that's the immediate one that comes to mind.

tristanj a day ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Grok is the best for researching recent events and real-time information. All the other AIs have a learning date cut-off too far in the past.

Claude accuses me of hallucinating events that happened the day before, and it's quite annoying.

no-name-here a day ago | parent [-]

Gemini, Claude, and ChatGPT all offer web search integrations in order to get recent data.

Grok 3 and Grok 4 have a 2024 knowledge cutoff. https://docs.x.ai/developers/models

tristanj a day ago | parent [-]

Grok has access to the X firehouse, and gives context on realtime events much better than the models you listed.

I wish Meta made their own AI/search model because they probably have the best data source.

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JumpCrisscross a day ago | parent | prev | next [-]

> can't understand why xAI charges 50% more per month for Grok over competitors

One potential read is xAI knows Grok isn't going to be a Tier 1 model. So while SpaceX focusses on infrastructure, Grok bets its users like its model enough that they'll pay a premium for it, even if this curtails growth prospects.

paulpauper a day ago | parent | prev | next [-]

They already make it required to have a premium X account

Claude has tons of throttling already. Chat GPT is not as accurate at computational problems despite less throttling. Gemini has fewest restrictions but worse quality. Always a tradeoff.

9dev a day ago | parent | prev [-]

Why would you even want to use that dumpster fire of a model in the first place..?

mschuster91 a day ago | parent [-]

Probably because it has all but zero filters on the input and output. It took widespread media outrage about "grok show me her in a bikini" to at least create a filter that bans such things.

[1] https://counterhate.com/research/grok-floods-x-with-sexualiz...

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Analemma_ a day ago | parent | prev [-]

Does the thing where it wanted to move every conversation onto the topic of "white genocide in South Africa" not count as a filter on the output?