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colechristensen an hour ago

Payment processing costs are a scam. They're 10x as expensive as they need to be to fund rewards programs and fund the financial system.

EU max credit card transaction fees are 0.3%, in the US they can be up to 4%.

It just doesn't cost 4% of a transaction to handle the exchange of funds. Just wealth transfer to finance people and the upper class who take advantage of credit card perks.

switz an hour ago | parent | next [-]

Can someone explain to me if EU card transactions are capped, why Stripe charges me (US) the full ride on my EU customer's cards? In fact, I get charged even more for EU cards – perhaps as much as 2.5% extra.

I just checked and I get charged ~8% in fees on a 10 euro transaction on Stripe. Of course some of that is the low transaction amount (flat 0.30), but it's brutal for a small business like myself.

    2.9% + 1.5% (intl card) + 1% (currency conversion) + 0.30

    Payment amount (€1.00 EUR = $1.15253 USD)
 
    €10.00 EUR -> $11.53 USD

    Fees

    Total:    - $0.93 USD

    Stripe currency conversion fee 
    - $0.12 USD

    Stripe processing fees
    - $0.81 USD

    Net amount
    $10.60 USD
I guess the NA interchange is charging the card, rather than the EU? Could using a MOR reduce the fee structure?
bijowo1676 41 minutes ago | parent | next [-]

perhaps they are capped only for EU merchants, because EU government works to protect their own companies and citizens from foreign artificial unregulated monopolies.

in US, the government is more protective of private monopolies due to lobbying

CodesInChaos 28 minutes ago | parent | prev | next [-]

The EU only capped interchange fees, which is the amount that goes to the bank that issued the card. It did not cap the fees that go the your PSP. Which makes sense, since you can pick the PSP you do business with, but you can't pick the bank that issues your customer's cards.

(And I don't think it applies to US merchants like you anyways)

https://ec.europa.eu/commission/presscorner/detail/en/ip_15_...

colechristensen 40 minutes ago | parent | prev | next [-]

You're not in EU so the full stack is happy to charge you whatever it can.

era-epoch 38 minutes ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Yeah, you don't live in the EU.

sph 39 minutes ago | parent | prev [-]

Uh… more profit?

enos_feedler 31 minutes ago | parent | prev | next [-]

As someone who really enjoys rewards programs, keep those scams alive!

KetoManx64 10 minutes ago | parent | next [-]

The irony is that every couple you shop with just increases the prices of their items to deal with the fees, so you're just paying more for items to feel good about getting reward program benefits.

matt-p a few seconds ago | parent [-]

You are also being subsidised by debit card users.

ArmadilloGang 28 minutes ago | parent | prev [-]

Might want to think twice about that: https://www.nytimes.com/2023/11/21/opinion/credit-card-rewar...

lennessy 3 minutes ago | parent [-]

You are assuming they don't know about all this already when I feel like they have made it quite clear they do.

fragmede an hour ago | parent | prev [-]

Except in the US, it does. Depending on the card, it can cost as much as 4.5% (or more!) to run the card. You can argue that it shouldn't, but that's a different statement than it doesn't.

colechristensen 42 minutes ago | parent [-]

uh, I'm including the card issuers as participants in this multi-party scam

bijowo1676 37 minutes ago | parent [-]

it is illegal for Merchants to charge credit card processing fees by law, they have to absorb these fees and cannot display them to the customer.

This naturally protects the artificial oligopoly of visa/mc/discover systems.

The moment you allow Merchants to charge cc fees (even 2-3%) and allow customer to choose low processing option (ACH/debit card/cash), the whole scheme falls apart and Visa/MC will slowly go bankrupt

colechristensen 33 minutes ago | parent [-]

>it is illegal for Merchants to charge credit card processing fees by law,

This is only true in 4 states.

bijowo1676 30 minutes ago | parent [-]

the typical Merchant<->bank agreements all have clauses forcing them to absorb these fees and explicitly barring them from separately charging customer CC fee.

and most small/med businesses dont have clout to protest that, so they have to accept these terms in order to earn money