For ad views, the concern is specifically that people pay for clicks and views. That that can be so heavily influenced by bot traffic greatly undermines their value.

Same general idea goes for any of the algorithmic driven platforms. The algorithms are ostensibly intended to surface organically discovered things by watching how people interact with things. That they are so susceptible to distortion through bot farms should be a lot more acknowledged than it is. People trust them far more than they should.

There is also a general cost of running things concern. It isn't like it is completely free to execute on bot traffic.

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reconnecting 2 hours ago | parent [-]

For ads, I believe this must be a problem for ad platform owners.

If the digital platform's storefront is their business, they could afford to spend some budget on bot detection. Bots still come from data center networks, sometimes render pages incompletely, request resources in bulk, and show enough patterns to be flagged internally.

If we look at a medium website, most random crawlers will come from Amazon, Microsoft, DigitalOcean, Hetzner, OVH, and a few other DC networks — these can be blocked easily without harming real users. The rest can be detected and cleaned up, even manually.

The math is simple: 20,000 visits a day at 15 seconds each = ~83 hours a day lost watching a Cloudflare logo, just because someone doesn't want to dig into the logs. I don't buy it.

	▲	taeric an hour ago \| parent [-]
		Largely agreed, though I think you are likely underestimating how hard this is to detect. In particular, it is true that many bots can be hosted in data centers, but it is somewhat trivial to launder that traffic through other sources. Malware, in particular, is what I have in mind. Maybe I'm wrong and that has largely gone away? There is also a bit of mixed incentives. Yes, it is the ad platform that is getting abused. But it is also the ad platform that is charging people based on abused practices. And it isn't like this is completely made up. Just look at how facebook killed a lot of ton of people during the "pivot to video" programs. I don't know all of the details, as I was thankfully not in any of the involved industries, but my understanding is it is fairly well documented. Edit: I changed an "isn't" to "is." I think I was trying to reword at one point, but left it in a way that is opposite what I meant.