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ninininino 2 hours ago

Respectfully, you don't know why you put off children. You may tell yourself a story of why you have, but for example if there was an environmental contaminant shaping population level stats on endocrines and hormones that reduced human sex drive and desire for children, you wouldn't necessarily be conscious of that.

card_zero 2 hours ago | parent | next [-]

That sounds more like "hormone-driven people don't know why they had children".

dfee 2 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

both points are fair, but operate at different levels. the former: willpower. the latter: constraints.

and, the latter is indeed dependent on the former. but, arguing that humans have no free will is an argument that should be tried independently of rebutting the former comment.

ninininino 2 hours ago | parent [-]

I didn't make a claim humans have no free will, moreso that we cannot accurately judge our own motivations/drives.

trgn 2 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

yeah make sense, we do things, rationalize them later, i get it, i certainly am sensitive to it.

close04 2 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

People are very conscious that a child costs a lot to raise and the reality is usually worse than their estimates. They know children will impact their career and promotion opportunities, so a lower expected income just when they need it more. They know they no longer live next to their parents so the support structure they have in place is flimsy.

You make a philosophical point while the reality is already clear enough. Everyone has a friend with kids so they hear the stories. The “scary” ones stick longer than the nice ones because it’s easier to understand financial woes, health issues, and problems of this kind.

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aaarrm 2 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

Okay