| ▲ | siren2026 3 hours ago |
| I wish Adyen was as good at marketing and hype as Stripe was. Stripe is really good at making themselves look like a way bigger deal than they are. |
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| ▲ | notpushkin an hour ago | parent | next [-] |
| There’s a huge difference for small business owners. Stripe has a Get started button. You click it, fill out a form, get your site approved in maybe a day, and start making money. Adyen has a Talk to our team button. You close the tab and never think about it again until you’re making serious money. --- Edit: that is, of course, by design. Adyen doesn’t want small businesses. From the sibling comment: > only able to support businesses currently transacting more than €5M per year |
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| ▲ | rahkiin an hour ago | parent [-] | | Adyen has resellers. Mollie is one example, they do have. Get Started and no lower limit. These smaller parties rely on the bank license of Adyen | | |
| ▲ | tims33 an hour ago | parent | next [-] | | Are you sure about that? From Mollie's webiste: Mollie B.V. is licensed and registered as an electronic money institution with the Dutch Central Bank (relationship number: F0038). Mollie UK Ltd is licensed and registered with the Financial Conduct Authority as a payment institution in the UK (FRN: 977968). | |
| ▲ | andrewshadura 16 minutes ago | parent | prev [-] | | Mollie also doesn't want small businesses, unfortunately. (We were rejected as too small.) |
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| ▲ | randunel 2 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| No point in marketing when you outright reject customers: Thank you very much for the comprehensive feedback. I have taken a look at the information you have provided and unfortunately, at this time, Adyen is only able to support businesses currently transacting more than €5M per year or businesses which are currently supported by a Plugin built by Adyen.
The reason for this is so that we are able to provide the right level of support and resources to our merchants at the right stage of their company growth. If you would like to stay up to date with our payment offering please do sign up to our newsletter here. In the interim, I want to ensure that you find the right provider, so I would like to direct you about payments. They are specialists in finding the most relevant payment solutions for all business models and I have no doubt they will offer you several great options. I wish you the best of luck with your business moving forward, and hopefully we can reconnect in the future. Kind Regards, Ana
Sales Specialist |
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| ▲ | jeroenhd an hour ago | parent | next [-] | | I wish more companies would try to serve tiny shops at the same time they serve multi million euro companies. The requirements for the two are very different, as is the support and customer care requirement. Integrating directly with Adyen as a small business is like running a kubernetes cluster on AWS to host your blog, except they'll have even less time for customer support to spend on your tickets when things don't go right. Platforms like Stripe where anyone can sign up at any time drive up prices because the amount of low-profit companies needs to be offset by the companies making more. Great for small startups but a bad deal for major companies. Stripe has also been criticised for forcing growing companies into enterprise plans the moment they hit certain growth numbers. That's one way to keep the business profitable, but it's not necessary if you only take on businesses that are already profitable enough dedicate a sales team onto. | | |
| ▲ | mrsilencedogood an hour ago | parent [-] | | Once you hit a certain processing threshold, stripe underwrites you. The benefit is some people get better deals or get to skirt by rules just by being immaterial. Separately: Once you hit a certain threshold, you get an account rep and can ask for IC+ billing. This is sometimes better than the blended/sticker rate. And furthermore, once you're really big enough, you can negotiate down Stripe's markup on the interchange. (As with any big enterprise contract). |
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| ▲ | Calvin02 an hour ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | At some point you realize that your smallest customers generate the least value but require the most support. Shedding low value users to others makes you stronger and them weaker. | |
| ▲ | whatshisface 2 hours ago | parent | prev [-] | | What are these plugins? Could any business choose to use one, or are they highly specialized? | | |
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| ▲ | fastball 3 minutes ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
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| ▲ | Oras 3 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| Which part that makes them look bigger than they are? Which services are larger than stripe? |
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| ▲ | theturtletalks 3 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| A big reason Stripe got big was because they got their YC cohorts to use it. Payments before that was complicated and even though PayPal existed, most people didn’t know you could process credit cards like Stripe, you don’t need a PayPal account or wallet. It’s why they bought Braintree and that added even more confusion. The lesson is, marketing to developers works. And the best way to market to them to by making their job easier. |
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| ▲ | bostik an hour ago | parent | next [-] | | Like with everything in business and engineering, there's a tradeoff. My previous employer used Adyen as major payment provider (for quite some time, too). Their cost structure is sensible, the payment methods they support are convenient[ß], and their functionality is reasonably solid even in the edge cases. But everyone who maintained the payment service kept cursing Adyen for their awful APIs. The python runtime powering the old system had to carry an unmaintainable and effectively abandoned library to be able to process the Adyen payment gateway messages. From what I understand, Stripe's main value proposition was: "how can we make this gnarly, confusing and complicated system an easy-to-use service that does NOT require the end-user to internalise the entire payment provider state transition universe?" That is obviously a valuable service, but is it valuable enough to charge an ongoing rake of nearly 300 basis points? ß: for some weird reason people still insisted that they absolutely must be able to pay with Paypal. 2+ years of fighting cross-corporate politics + KYB and still having to stomach insanely high commissions left a properly bad taste. | | |
| ▲ | bmiedlar an hour ago | parent [-] | | Having built on Authorize.net and a few other gateways before Stripe, I'd say yes - but the value that justifies the rake isn't the nicer API, it's what you no longer have to own. The moment you're paying out to third parties you're on the hook for KYC, identity verification, and the whole compliance/risk surface around moving other people's money. Connect absorbs that. Handing those pieces off so I stay compliant on payouts and can actually focus on the business is worth far more to me than the basis points. With other gateways I was assembling all of that myself. |
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| ▲ | indymike 2 hours ago | parent | prev [-] | | Another reason is their competitors didn't get it the value prop because everyone had been competing on rates, and little thought given to developer experience... early on a lot of Stripe's competition's apis used fixed field text as the format for transactions. |
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| ▲ | 0x59 3 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| Stripe has a useful tool and markets it well. With that said, I'm glad there are other options. |
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| ▲ | fourseventy 2 hours ago | parent | prev [-] |
| Stripes revenue is ~$20B seems pretty big to me... |