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ajb 3 hours ago

There is a fundamental minimum amount of energy needed to desalinate: you can't take less energy to do it,than you could gain back (from osmotic pressure) if you allowed the desalinated water to expand a cylinder containing the residual brine. This is large. This paper is a thermal method, so it doesn't have an electricity input, but to justify their efficiency claim, they should really compare against what you could do by using the same surface area for solar panels, driving a conventional setup. My (limited) understanding is that conventional reverse osmosis is not far from the theoretical optimum, energy-wise, the main difficulties being operational (the membranes need declogging). And of course RO is more expensive than rain.

This paper is interesting, however, in directly producing crystalline salt, which is lower volume than brine and easier to dispose of, maybe even valuable.

CuriouslyC an hour ago | parent | next [-]

If this can be applied to mine effluent, you could replace the maybe with most certainly. Sulfuric acid effluent lakes leech all sorts of valuable metals out of the ground.

xyzzyz an hour ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Brine is very easy to dispose of: you just pump it back to where it came from. Solid crystalline salt, on the other hand, is a hassle.

ceejayoz an hour ago | parent | next [-]

> Brine is very easy to dispose of: you just pump it back to where it came from.

Easy, but not necessarily good for the spot you're pumping concentrated salt back into.

SoftTalker 41 minutes ago | parent [-]

The brine came from the ocean. So just dilute it back to close to ambient salinity using municipal waste water that you are discharging anyway.

ceejayoz 38 minutes ago | parent | next [-]

> The brine came from the ocean.

Sure, and enriched uranium comes from the ground, but that doesn't mean it's safe to dump it back in after the enrichment process!

> So just dilute it back to close to ambient salinity using municipal waste water…

Wouldn't it generally be easier to process that municipal waste water, as is already fairly common?

SoftTalker 37 minutes ago | parent [-]

The analogy would be if you "un-enrich" it. Then it's safe. Or at least no worse than when you took it out of the ground.

ceejayoz 36 minutes ago | parent [-]

> The analogy would be if you "un-enrich" it.

But you're doing that with the same water you're trying to make in the first place!

SoftTalker 25 minutes ago | parent [-]

You could just dilute it using fresh seawater, if you used enough and (maybe) spread it over a wider area. The amount of water people need for drinking is a relative drop in the ocean.

ceejayoz 16 minutes ago | parent [-]

Brine doesn't necessarily behave the way you imagine.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brinicle

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brine_pool

Enginerrrd 26 minutes ago | parent | prev [-]

Municipal waste water is a much cheaper way to get desalinated water in the first place though.

lazide 10 minutes ago | parent [-]

except for the pharmaceuticals anyway

nkrisc 37 minutes ago | parent | prev | next [-]

In an ideal world that crystalline salt by product could be used to offset any imported or mined salt, further reducing the environmental impact of those operations.

galaxyLogic 39 minutes ago | parent | prev | next [-]

I think I read somewhere that salt can be used as energy storage medium? So we could get both water and batteries for renewal energy.

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qurren an hour ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Why? Just build mountains out of it and maybe even open a salt-ski park in the tropics for people who don't have snow.

lightedman an hour ago | parent | prev [-]

"Solid crystalline salt, on the other hand, is a hassle."

Just make prettier-than-Himalayan salt lamps out of it and sell it to hippies. Easy solution.

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