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uijl 4 hours ago

Interesting to see that they are able to identify the specific satellite. I wonder if we can do something now that we know the source.

Working on construction projects on the Romanian coastline (just South of Ukraine) and on the Polish continental waters (just West of Kaliningrad) we experienced jamming on a daily basis.

Schlagbohrer 3 hours ago | parent | next [-]

That jamming near Kaliningrad must surely be impacting the Russian residents as well, right? Unless it is very carefully aimed which seems unlikely since it is also trying to cover a very large volume.

Havoc 2 hours ago | parent | next [-]

>must surely be impacting the Russian residents as well, right?

They don't give a fuck.

Was watching a youtube video by a russian the other day talking about war & sanction impact and things like ride sharing apps literally say on screen the location is going to be wrong and to select pickup spot manually. It's just assumed to be fucked as a given even at an app development level

N19PEDL2 an hour ago | parent [-]

They don't even have internet anymore...

https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/cr510de17jlo

sorenjan 2 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Yes, it's very wide spread and not carefully aimed at all. It's also not done by satellite but a ground based station.

https://gpsjam.org/

mapt 7 minutes ago | parent | next [-]

How far is the horizon from the tallest antenna mast in Kaliningrad?

stef25 38 minutes ago | parent | prev [-]

That covers most of Poland, wtf

lenerdenator 18 minutes ago | parent [-]

Why wouldn't it?

The behavior will continue until a consequence is imposed.

Not on regular Russians, mind. Their ruling class. They're still free to move about the continent, make investments, do whatever. Currently Europe seems to be more interested in breaking away from the US than dealing with the power that has killed hundreds of thousands on their own continent.

ponector 2 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

No one gives a fuck what russian residents are thinking about it. And if they start to talk about issues - police will quickly force everyone to shut up.

preisschild an hour ago | parent [-]

Thats true, but its also true that most russians support this war. Maybe they dont say it, but they are the soldiers in the trenches, mechanical engineers building missiles, software developers building their military software, Oil/NG workers that fund the war and so on

M95D 36 minutes ago | parent [-]

I'm sure that if you ask any of them, they would say that they don't have a choice. Same as western IT developers that continue to support the enshittification of the internet. They don't have a choice. /s

rcxdude 3 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Jamming in general will affect everything using those frequencies (and potentially more besides) in a given area, so if you're using it you're weighing up the effects it'll have on your stuff as well. (early in the current Ukrainian invasion, reportedly Russian electronic warfare units were screwing up their own side more than the Ukrainians)

NoSalt an hour ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Do you believe Putin cares who he inconveniences?

lazide 3 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

1) with the exception of probably a few pensioners (who also depend on gov’t funding), everyone in the area is dependent on the military. It’s a giant military base in the middle of nowhere.

2) anyone not military (and hence in on it), is a pensioner or the like and won’t give a shit about GPS.

This is not a thriving urban metropolis or tourist location.

akho 2 hours ago | parent | next [-]

Why lie? It _is_ a tourist location, with > 2mln tourists annually (for their 1 mln permanent population). It also has quite a diverse economy, with Avtotor being a major car assembler (though not quite what it was pre-war), a fishing industry, amber mining, a TV manufacturer, &c. With a significant military presence, of course, but "giant military base in the middle of nowhere" is just ridiculous.

Scroll_Swe 2 hours ago | parent [-]

Crazy what the Russians destroyed... (you?)

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/K%C3%B6nigsberg_Castle

akho an hour ago | parent | next [-]

Yes, we Russians are entirely responsible for British carpet bombing.

(I, of course, do not agree with the decision to demolish the remaining ruins in 1968; it could have been handled better.)

lazide an hour ago | parent | prev [-]

Hey, old military installations (albeit ancient) are still a type of tourist attraction lol.

Most places in Russia are hunting and fishing locations too, hah.

Thlom 2 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

The city has half a million residents and the oblast has a million residents. There's restaurants, museums, grocery stores, car dealerships, parks, zoo's, malls, stadiums, factories, train stations, an airport, ports etc etc. It's a real place.

lazide 2 hours ago | parent [-]

I never said it wasn’t.

Killeen, Texas is also a real place.

How many people do you think don’t have at least a 2 degree connection to the US military?

Do you think anyone there is going to think twice about going along with what the military is doing? Or could if they wanted too?

And Killeen is far, far less isolated geographically.

u8080 2 hours ago | parent [-]

It is like saying Detroit is military base because there are some military related buildings.

lazide 2 hours ago | parent [-]

Uh huh

u8080 2 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

It is not. I.e. there is one of the largest passenger vehicle assembly line Autotor.

q3k 3 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Kaliningrad is one big military base.

TFNA 2 hours ago | parent [-]

Doesn't sound like you have actually been there. Military is a major employer, but in a territory inhabited since 1944 there are generations of people born there who didn't see a reason to live, the same foreign gastarbeiter as in any Russian city, etc. I.e plenty of ordinary people who could be inconvenienced.

lukan an hour ago | parent [-]

I don't think you meant it like that, but Kaliningrad, or Königsberg is inhabited since a bit longer. For example Immanuel Kant lived and taught there.

Scroll_Swe 2 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

>That jamming near Kaliningrad must surely be impacting the Russian residents as well, right?

Russia does not care, nor does it care about its population.

Where are you from?

I ask because you have western privilege, like me, and assume our governments care about its people. Why I lucked out being born in Sweden, the more I learn about the world, the more I am convinced I lucked out ahahaha.

Scroll_Swe 2 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Russia is constantly GPS jamming EU.

https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/clyx3ly54veo

So funny seeing non-EU people and/or people friendly to Russia comment (not you)

Carry on!

embedding-shape an hour ago | parent [-]

Yeah, same with traveling by boat in the Baltic Sea, been continuously GPS-jammed since 2022 or something annoying like that, basically the entire South East-coast of Sweden been unnavigatable with GPS since then.

colechristensen 4 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

>I wonder if we can do something now that we know the source.

Russia signed the 1967 Outer Space Treaty (OST) in 1967, this may be a treaty violation of this or other treaties, something like that or retaliation regarding it may be possible.

You can hack the satellite, or use other electronic warfare options to jam or interfere with it's operations.

You can shoot it down with a missile.

The X-37B is in space right now and interfering with space assets is a pretty obvious possibility for why it exists at all, but it's secret so nobody says these things.

JoachimS 3 hours ago | parent | next [-]

So Russia may be in violation of a treaty, treaties. I'm shocked.

preisschild an hour ago | parent [-]

They were in violation of the INF treaty too years before the US pulled out...

nutjob2 4 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

> You can shoot it down with a missile.

Obviously a bad idea, but frying it with some sort of high powered electromagnetic pulse would seem the smartest option with plausible deniability.

I wonder if the US already has such weapons in orbit.

stef25 37 minutes ago | parent | next [-]

> frying it with some sort of high powered electromagnetic pulse would seem the smartest option with plausible deniability

Realistically, how many people could do this ?

picofarad 33 minutes ago | parent [-]

If you gave me a million dollars, I could do it. Someone else would have to aim it, but it shouldn't be that hard to do.

M95D 29 minutes ago | parent | prev | next [-]

I assume that satellites have protection against that - because of solar flares.

raverbashing 2 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

Kessler event oops, you know. I guess I know someone with several disposable satellites, I wonder if they could be bothered (but I guess not)

whizzter 4 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

If you start shooting down stuff in orbit, it'll invite retaliation, but even without retaliation there's a huge risk of a Kessler syndrome (especially with all the stuff that SpaceX has put into orbit in recent years).

db48x 4 hours ago | parent | next [-]

No, Kessler syndrome is pretty unlikely in this case. All of the guilty satellites are in Molniya orbits. Debris from destroying them would not greatly effect geosynchronous orbit or the low earth orbits used by Starlink.

LiamPowell 3 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

> especially with all the stuff that SpaceX has put into orbit in recent years

I've heard this repeated a lot but I've never seen anyone do the maths. StarLink satellites are all in very low orbits, so intuitively it seems like most debris from a collision would just end up deorbiting.

gpm an hour ago | parent [-]

90% of starlink satellites are >400km in altitude. They aren't in very low earth orbits where that intuition even might be correct. They're above the space station.

I've definitely seen math done - though I'd have to dig it up again. I think in FAA filings.

Aerroon 4 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

I've thought about this before - do you actually need to "shoot it down" (make it explode)? What if you just nudge it a little and either make it spin or change its orbit? If your missile can reach the satellite then these seem like things that should be possible, no?

Cthulhu_ 3 hours ago | parent [-]

Depends, if you nudge it only a little, its own onboard stabilizers / thrusters should be able to correct it. It'd have to be more than its own systems can correct for.

speed_spread 3 hours ago | parent [-]

Nudge it long enough to deplete it's fuel reserves? Or just wrap the emitting antenna in tin foil...