Embrace, Extend, Extinguish anyone? Although, as a Fedora user I'm happy it's RPM based.

giancarlostoro 4 hours ago | parent | next [-]

Little harder to pull that off when the key components are all GPL licensed, but also all of Microsoft's bits and pieces for their distro seem to be MIT Licensed. Honestly, it certainly feels more like Google lives by Embrace, Extend, Extinguish (email, browsers, video streaming, etc).

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saghm 4 hours ago | parent | next [-]

You cited three of the most prominent counterexamples to the common meme about Google killing their products as evidence of them extinguishing things. I'm not saying you're wrong necessarily, but I don't think you've demonstrated what you think you have.

	▲	brokencode 3 hours ago \| parent [-]
		The “extinguish” part refers to your competition, not to your own product. You embrace a popular open standard, add new features to your software that build upon the standard (but are proprietary), then watch as your competitors die off because customers become locked into your proprietary features. Similar to how Apple hijacked SMS to add iMessage and introduced all kinds of features and the blue/green bubble styling. For the longest time, they refused to support RCS, trying to keep people on iPhone by making texting between iOS and Android suck. Of course, a lot of people switched to third party messaging apps because of how much Apple was intentionally ruining texting, so now Apple has had to adopt RCS. So the “extinguish” part can be hard to pull off given sufficiently strong competition.

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nullpoint420 4 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Agreed on the Google front here.

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greenavocado 4 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

That's why they're pushing hardware attestation so aggressively

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tossit444 4 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Not really. They've always advertised it for, well, Azure, and the actual announcement[0] makes it clear that it's simply a distro for Azure workloads. Considering they state it's "built exclusively for cloud and server workloads, it is not intended to support desktop usage or GUI applications," Microsoft isn't playing that game here.

[0] https://techcommunity.microsoft.com/blog/linuxandopensourceb...

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yjftsjthsd-h 4 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

As a Fedora hater, I'm also happy it's RPM based; IMO, .debs are just flat out worse than .rpm as a format and the tooling on top matches that. I do wonder, though:

> Azure Linux 4.0 is derived from Fedora, right now a Fedora 43 snapshot, rather than assembled package by package the way 1.0 through 3.0 were.

Then what's the point? They could just ship Fedora. There are minor differences, but all things that sound easy to get upstreamed with minimal effort.

	▲	mhitza 3 hours ago \| parent \| next [-]
		Same as with any distribution it gives you flexibility over update cadence, validate your software doesn't break with updates, and push out your own hotfixes without being tied to the release process upstream. Default configurations as well, since it states FIPS compliance it has to change defaults <https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Changes/RemoveFipsModeSetup#W...>
	▲	fragmede 4 hours ago \| parent \| prev [-]
		Time difference. A VP at Microsoft has someone they can yell at to make an ship a change. Having to ask upstream politely and then wait for their release schedule was proving to be an issue.

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tigerlily 4 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

Extinguish Windows morelike...