Really? Europe looks primed to follow the US, just a few steps behind. They're electing their far right leaders and primed to start mass deportation, and are even ahead of us on cultural decline with respect to mass surveillance being used to actively police speech. What moves have they been making that you think indicate an upward trend? How are they going to recover from stagnation and demographic collapse?

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hn_throwaway_99 2 hours ago | parent | next [-]

Europe seems to be backtracking on some of their far-right flirtations after seeing the idiocracy in the US. Orban was voted out in Hungary after decades in power. Meloni in Italy is often described as far right but her party also strongly supports the EU, NATO and Ukraine.

	▲	Krssst an hour ago \| parent [-]
		France is quite likely to put the far-right in power next year, don't get your hopes up. I wish it wouldn't happen but a lot of people seem like they will not vote in a runoff between a far-right candidate and a left-wing (too left for the regular right) or right-wing (too right-wing for the left) candidate. It's absurd but not much one can do about it...

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toasty228 2 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Mass deportation of who? The far right governments of most EU countries just play on basic fear tactics, none of them will ever do anything remotely close to your mass deportation fantasies. The most hardcore things they'll do is apply the laws which already exists regarding foreign people committing crimes and people illegally entering, and even that isn't given

Just look at the post brexit UK or Meloni's Italy...

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manphone 2 hours ago | parent [-]

This is what people said about Trump and the Republicans. Of course they wouldn’t do mass deportation. It’s all just rhetoric.

	▲	conception 2 hours ago \| parent \| next [-]
		When someone tells you who they are believe them.
	▲	JumpCrisscross 2 hours ago \| parent \| prev [-]
		Trump, at the end of the day, deported about as many people as Obama. He just made a huge song and dance about it. (And blew the military budget of Saudi Arabia while doing it to boot.)

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cyberax 3 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

> They're electing their far right leaders and primed to start mass deportation

No amounts of deportations meaningfully affect the demographics. They can at most slow down the new immigration. For all his bluster, Trump deported barely more people than the long-term average in 2025.

But more importantly, the "far right" in Europe is far less crazy than in the US, and they support re-establishing local industry.

> police speech

Europe has never had absolutely free speech like the US. It's by design.

	▲	toasty228 2 hours ago \| parent [-]
		> Europe has never had absolutely free speech like the US. It's by design. They don't have it in the US either, they just love to flex it while not understanding how it's implemented in practice

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slaw 2 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

Far left will continue to rule in Europe.

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cinntaile 2 hours ago | parent [-]

I can't think of any European government that is far left? I am not familiar with all of them of course, so happy to be proven wrong.

	▲	slaw 23 minutes ago \| parent [-]
		I can't think of any European party that is far right and have any chance in elections.