| ▲ | SwellJoe 3 hours ago | |||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
I always use this site as a canonical example of The Good Internet. The kind of site that is rare today but used to be most of the internet, and we're all worse off for the change. Lightweight handmade HTML and CSS. Very little JavaScript. The site is fast as hell, instant transition between pages, it'd make a React SPA blush. The URLs don't change. The navigation is familiar and unchanging. Back button works as expected. Bookmarks into the site don't break. It costs him almost nothing to run, so he isn't compelled to fill the pages with bullshit ads that disrupt or interrupt. It's got a handful of ad banners at the top and bottom, as ads used to be. I'd prefer it had no Google ads, since surveillance is part of the deal one makes with Google, but it's not the worst offense. Edit: Also, because it uses core/standard web technologies exclusively, he has never been required to change it to keep it working or update a bunch of stuff for security reasons. Maintenance cost is effectively zero...whenever he wants to work on the the site, he can. He's never been compelled to drop everything to perform npm acrobatics to get a security update rolled out. | ||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
| ▲ | angiolillo 2 hours ago | parent | next [-] | |||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
> It costs him almost nothing to run > Maintenance cost is effectively zero... His estimates[1] of ongoing costs seem different: > I spend probably 60 hours a week continuously improving this website, answering visitors' questions, solving their shoelace problems – even granting permission for my material to be re-used by other educators. > All of this effort earns me less than 1/5 of the Australian National Minimum Wage. > I'm thinking of calling this my “Million Dollar Website” – not because it's worth a million dollars but because it has cost me a million dollars compared to what I could have earned at a regular job (based on an average Australian annual wage of $50,000 × 25+ years). Granted it seems like you're commenting just on the cost of maintaining the site's HTML/CSS, and I agree that making the website simpler reduces those costs. But even with more complex websites the development costs are often less than the cost of developing good content, attracting people to your site, paying for hosting, etc. | ||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
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| ▲ | xp84 2 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] | |||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
Wow, he even made navigation that puts the links on little shoelace ends. Indeed, this is the kind of thing that was widespread, and which the soulless modern net never has. | ||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
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| ▲ | Wistar 2 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] | |||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
The site owner, Ian, says he is seeking an alternative to google ads. Seems the site may be struggling financially. | ||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
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| ▲ | nunez an hour ago | parent | prev | next [-] | |||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
Yes, agreed. Website made out of love instead of desire for profit. Insanely useful information that's hard to find elsewhere. Timeless. | ||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
| ▲ | goody71 2 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] | |||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
another one I loved...I guess still love too https://sheldonbrown.com/fixed-conversion.html | ||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
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| ▲ | GuB-42 an hour ago | parent | prev | next [-] | |||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
> The kind of site that is rare today but used to be most of the internet, and we're all worse off for the change. To me, it is not that these sites are rarer today than they once were. In fact, I think they are more of these today. It is just that the internet today is way bigger than it once was, and a lot of crap came with it. In fact, the web page dates back from 2000, and believe it or not, what is now known as enshittification was well on its way, though it was more Flash than Javascript. It was the peak of the dotcom bubble after all. The time such websites were "most of the internet" was more of a 1990s thing. A site like Ian's Shoelace Site is not representative of its time any more than it is now, in that it was, and still is unusually good. > Also, because it uses core/standard web technologies exclusively, he has never been required to change it to keep it working or update a bunch of stuff for security reasons. On the client side, sure. On the server side, there is still maintenance to be done, especially with https where you have to manage certificates and their expiration, even though certbot make it simpler. But arguably, that's his host job and he just has to upload a bunch of html file, so you are right on that point. He still kept his page to modern standards, even though he wasn't required to (HTML 1.0 still works!). | ||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
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| ▲ | torben-friis 2 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] | |||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
You missed the most important part: the site provides something for free. There's no "if you want to keep learning check my book/course". It's not a funnel entrance, it's not adversarial to you as a reader. I really really miss being able to enjoy content keeping my guard down, not wondering what is a scam, astroturfing, political propaganda... | ||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
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| ▲ | kgwxd 2 hours ago | parent | prev [-] | |||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
> I'd prefer it had no Google ads The good thing about those ads is, it's your choice if they're allowed to run on your machines or not. Assuming your "user agent" isn't really an "ad industry agent". | ||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
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