A 12B-sized model is a far cry from "frontier inference". That's more like DeepSeek V4 Pro territory which is a 1.6T model. Or for multi-modal models, Kimi 2.6 which is 1T.

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gen220 10 days ago | parent | next [-]

at risk of quoting myself... :)

> By offering frontier inference closer to cost *and* open-sourcing everything that's sub-frontier

It's two prongs! One prong is that their frontier inference pricing is significantly cheaper/closer-to-at-cost as Anthropic's.

The subject of this thread is the other prong: offering compelling models that are sub-frontier and self-hostable.

Self-hosting models and at-cost frontier models are the high-end and low-end disruptions, respectively, to Ant/OAI/etc.'s business models.

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echelon 10 days ago | parent [-]

Google needs an anti-trust breakup about 10 years ago.

They need one more than ever now.

This is ridiculously anti-competitive.

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airstrike 10 days ago | parent [-]

This is literally competition

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echelon 9 days ago | parent [-]

1. Google is dumping on the market to weaken OpenAI and Anthropic.

2. Every time you search for Claude or ChatGPT, you get presented with an AdWords bidding war.

3. Google is deploying its models in Search, Docs/Drive/Office, YouTube, Chrome, ...

	▲	airstrike 9 days ago \| parent [-]
		1. This isn't dumping 2. I'm not sure what this has to do with the case, unless you're arguing Google has an ads monopoly, in which case the best argument would likely not be that adwords lead to bidding wars because that just sounds like they're selling a product people really want to pay for 3. There's nothing criminal about being a very diversified business

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boutell 10 days ago | parent | prev [-]

You're right that it's not literally frontier. But like recent Qwen releases, it is a lot more capable than anybody thought models of this size could be a year ago, like capable enough to set a ceiling on what you can charge for AI for certain applications. Others still clearly justify a stronger model, but this trend may continue, etc.