> In the US, there's the expectation that when you use an employer-provided device that any and all activity on it can be fully monitored/recorded

I don't expect this. I know that some companies install spyware on their devices, but I don't expect it, I don't accept it, and if they did it without disclosing it I'd be furious. I understand they're allowed to do it. I'd never work anywhere that did.

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jbuhbjlnjbn 7 minutes ago | parent | next [-]

You can rest assured a company firing you for what they saw while surveilling your work computer will not be so stupid as to reveil this fact. That would indeed be a liability for them. They will simply invent a different reason for firing.

Because they know it's not allowed (or at least frowned upon), but they decided to do it anyways, the company surveillance is kept secret and downplayed and plausibly denied as much as possible.

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stingraycharles an hour ago | parent | prev | next [-]

I think the keyword is “can”.

It is allowed, contrary to eg the EU, where this is not allowed.

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KaiserPro 11 minutes ago | parent | next [-]

> It is allowed, contrary to eg the EU, where this is not allowed.

Its allows in most of the EU apart from germany where there are strict limits.

however you can still record what your users are doing for purposes of detecting fraud. This is where it differs from the USA, where they can do anything because they have no data protection laws.

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caymanjim 40 minutes ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Yeah, I know they can. I just can't believe it's normalized and that people simply accept it. Good on the EU for pushing back.

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mhurron 2 minutes ago | parent | next [-]

You should expect it because it's the safest position to work from. Don't use your work device for non-work, they may be tracking something or everything and do you want that in that record.

Additionally, don't use personal devices for work, but that is because of other reasons.

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3form 14 minutes ago | parent | prev [-]

I guess from my perspective there are even more dire problems in the US that I'm surprised people accept. But it seems they don't know, or care, or know that they should care.

Perhaps it's the lack of proper authoritarian regime in the US' past that drives this. I believe the temporal proximity of such makes people aware of, and angry against, the many traps that such systems leave in their "law", so you can be imprisoned anytime for anything. EU has a bunch of countries with varying degree of such past.

	▲	mrhottakes 8 minutes ago \| parent [-]
		Most people need to work to support themselves so it's quite inconvenient to single-handedly solve all of the problems in the US. Suggesting people simply don't know or care is very naive.

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throw1234567891 38 minutes ago | parent | prev [-]

It is allowed under certain circumstances.

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prerok 19 minutes ago | parent [-]

I am pretty sure there would have to be a court order, i.e. a severe violation would have to have good ground to be suspected.

	▲	throw1234567891 6 minutes ago \| parent [-]
		No court order. Just a suspicion against an individual, and a process to follow. Plus, you have to tell them. There is no mass surveillance without notice, correct.

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sunsetSamurai 13 minutes ago | parent | prev [-]

if it's a device provided by your company, it's very likely it'll have some spyware on it.