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LucidLynx 2 hours ago

I have a serious question to anyone working at Meta and reading this: HOW can you still work at this company!?

Why don't you quit this very toxic company, and start working at another place or even on your own? I genuinely don't understand...

Let just Meta die!

jjulius an hour ago | parent | next [-]

The number of people in these comments who would be happy to be "paid well" to contribute to what's inarguably a huge net negative worldwide is exactly how the company got to this point.

It's astonishing how many people value a ton of money over doing something good. Everyone who talks about setting values aside for cash is the problem. Gross.

AndrewKemendo 3 minutes ago | parent [-]

I used to think there was a solution to this but theres not:

There is no limit to human greed

yodsanklai an hour ago | parent | prev | next [-]

There are tons of good reasons to work for Meta. You can work on interesting projects, build your resume and network, work on interesting engineering problems, learn from other people, and of course, they pay very well. People do need to support their family, secure their retirement and so on...

Is it perfect? certainly not. Is the company toxic? where do you draw the line? how much are you willing to compromise given the other advantages you get? Everybody has a different answer to these questions. Some people would tell you that even working in tech is wrong due to environmental concerns.

Personally, I would happily work for Meta. Many people use their services and like them. Is it the greatest thing for society? probably not, but neither is Netflix or Amazon or Apple...

yojo an hour ago | parent | next [-]

Meta is straight evil. It undermines the institutions of democracy and it negatively impacts its users mental health, all in service of selling your data to advertisers so they can better goad unnecessary consumption.

If I learn you work at Meta, I will judge you as at best lacking a moral compass and treat you appropriately.

Apple has problems, but is a lot closer to morally neutral. Ditto for Netflix.

Amazon has hollowed out local retail/is also bad for society, though not on Meta’s scale. But you sell your soul more cheaply there.

vanuatu 6 minutes ago | parent | next [-]

not to defend zuck but its a common misconception that meta sells data

advertisers dont see the personal data they buy for ad placement

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rozal 23 minutes ago | parent | prev [-]

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jjulius 20 minutes ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Hey, at least you're open and honest about being okay with contributing to such a global net negative as long as you get something out of it.

poisonborz 42 minutes ago | parent | prev | next [-]

This an ad company that proveably, willingly targeted insecure children. You could write the same things about Northrop Grumman or Palantir. I mean corporations were never angels, but how software engineers can work anywhere else with similar features... just why.

fourside 8 minutes ago | parent | prev [-]

Growing up, I’d wonder how people could work for companies like cigarette manufacturers even after it became well known that their products wreck havoc on your health.

This comment is a masterclass in the type of mental gymnastics people do to justify working for these kind of companies.

> Is the company toxic? where do you draw the line?

You couldn’t even answer the question you yourself posed.

root-parent an hour ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Spy camera manufacturer workers complaining about office cameras....

rybosworld an hour ago | parent | prev | next [-]

People always answer this question with money. But if we think of it as a version of the prisoner dilemma (Meta is one prisoner, the employee is the other), the right move is probably to work somewhere else for a lower salary. By working for Meta, they are defecting against you (openly screen recording you to train your AI replacement). Choosing to work somewhere else would be like you defecting against Meta.

Extremely simplified example. Ignore inflation, raises, etc.

Which choice is better?

- $400k/yr for 5 years followed by a layoff, with the possibility that the thing you've helped Meta build rolls out everywhere, and there are next to no job opportunities

- $200k/yr for the rest of your career, and employment opportunities don't dry up because you didn't help build the thing meant to replace you

brk an hour ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Post some links to companies hiring at similar compensation levels. Or, are you suggesting that every Meta employee is in a position to just like off of any random job they can find, or even no income at all while they go off "on their own"?

not_the_fda an hour ago | parent [-]

There is more to life than money. I've turned down FANG roles my entire career, especially Meta. There is lot of work out there.

mathisfun123 14 minutes ago | parent [-]

Lol you've turned down offers or recruiter reach outs? Two very different things lololol.

matheusmoreira an hour ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Money. Even I would put up with this if they paid me enough.

officehero 22 minutes ago | parent | next [-]

I'd down vote this if I could.

jjulius 44 minutes ago | parent | prev [-]

Ick.

SoftTalker an hour ago | parent | prev | next [-]

$$$,$$$

baggachipz an hour ago | parent [-]

more like $,$$$,$$$.$$

JKCalhoun an hour ago | parent | next [-]

All the more reason to head out.

A few years on a salary like that and you may find that you can live fairly comfortably for a long time… in a place where the cost of living and housing are inexpensive.

I have an aunt who is quite old, who has been living for decades in a trailer in Eloy, Arizona. I suspect few people reading this will think that's any kind of an "escape plan", but I have been jealous of her seemingly contented and relaxed retirement for a long time now.

Perhaps you have to weigh it against, "working in the industry you hate for an other decade or two." Could you enjoy yourself in your retirement in your trailer? Is there something more you need to enjoy your retirement?

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SoftTalker an hour ago | parent | prev [-]

You're saying the average dev at Meta is making 7 figures?

baggachipz an hour ago | parent | next [-]

I'm exaggerating for (poor) comedic effect, as Meta has to pay more to attract people. Every time they've ever tried to recruit me I've lol'd at them and said I would never work there under any circumstances.

Anon1096 33 minutes ago | parent | prev [-]

There are quite a few making that much yearly but not the average. Median swe at meta is almost surely >1MM net worth at least and maybe even 2.

wombat-man an hour ago | parent | prev | next [-]

If you can hang, it pays great. I don't work there but I know some who do.

crymeth0t an hour ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Have you tried finding a new job recently?

LucidLynx an hour ago | parent [-]

Yes, and I found one. It pays enough for having a very stable life, and in a company with ethics!

No reason to be that sarcastic, the job market is not dead (at least not in Europe).

georgeburdell an hour ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Maybe you should be asking that question on 1.3 acres and not here

nicce an hour ago | parent | prev | next [-]

In the end, most people choose money.

cute_boi an hour ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Meta is still better than 80% of the companies. Other company spies on you, do micromanagement and still pay way less.

Pick your poison.

dfxm12 32 minutes ago | parent | prev | next [-]

In the US, if you quit your job, you lose access to many benefits, including affordable health care. It might be hard to get a loan for a car, to find an apartment, etc. This is systemically set up this way, including making sure employment doesn't get too low, which would give more power to employees.

fullshark an hour ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Money and/or visa sponsorship obviously. Some things are more important than internet cool points.

Alifatisk an hour ago | parent | prev | next [-]

> I genuinely don't understand...

Really? Its quite obvious to me. They get astonishing resume and salary. That is until they get fired or burned.

nicce an hour ago | parent [-]

> astonishing resume

Not sure about that one.

u1hcw9nx an hour ago | parent | prev | next [-]

This seems like rhetorical question where you know the answer.

Despite corporate propaganda, work is not self-fulfillment, moral quest, or meaning for most people. It's money and future. When you earn $191K-$4.36M+ and don't want to move your family to some cheaper neighborhood, you put your head down and keep working.

Unless you are hardcore libertarian, these questions of workplace privacy are solved individual by individual. They are political questions. Improve labor laws, privacy laws etc.

infraredshift an hour ago | parent | prev | next [-]

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new_account_104 an hour ago | parent | prev [-]

You need to be more cruel if you actually want these people to quit.

Make them fear for their professional and personal reputations.

Make them embarassed to show their face or state their place of employment.

We need to treat these people like Nazis.

foobar_______ an hour ago | parent | next [-]

I am not sure about all your talk about Nazis and such - seems a bit much.

But I do agree with the general premise. Instead of Meta being seen as a signal for being a high-quality engineer, I hope the signal being sent is more like: engineer who is so money hungry they are willing to abandon almost all sense of responsibility and reasonable character.

__MatrixMan__ an hour ago | parent | prev | next [-]

We need to make Nazis fear for their personal safety.

We need to make engineers who work in surveillance or advertising ashamed enough to avoid putting that work on their resume.

I think that's a pretty big difference.

keybored 27 minutes ago | parent | prev [-]

Nazis or not, I’m pretty fed up with that glaze of a quote that goes something like the most brilliant minds of my generation are occupied with optimizing ads. There’s no condemnation, just a wistful yearning for the big brains to be unfettered from their big wage enslavement to save us. It speaks to a craven culture where intelligence is the only praiseworthy trait and character is not even a concept.

You think people raised in such a culture will save you? More likely they’ll be hooked by the next moneybag or hoodwinked by some insane philosophy (Libertarianism, AI Singularity, Effective Altruism...).