| ▲ | turzmo 11 hours ago | ||||||||||||||||||||||
Much of math (or science) research has the strange quality of being mostly curiosity-driven, but having giant benefits that occasionally spin out to the public. Some questions are more urgent and practical. My feeling is that the more directly practical a question is, the more likely the research community is to support AI usage in that question. The annoying thing about recent AI advances is that they target questions on the wrong end of the spectrum: Erdos problems are exactly the sort of "useless" questions that people might answer purely for the love of the game. The sort of questions that a young person might cut their teeth on and gain confidence. Solving questions like these automatically, I think, is not good for the long-term health of research. At least for the foreseeable future you still would like people to become interested and develop skills in these fields. These developments, and especially how they are presented, directly discourage that. | |||||||||||||||||||||||
| ▲ | math_dandy 3 hours ago | parent | next [-] | ||||||||||||||||||||||
To me, the most interesting feature of the OpenAI solution of the Unit Distance (Erdös) Problem is that the solution - using deep algebraic number theory as a source of extremal combinatorial/geometric constructions - is much more interesting than the problem’s elementary statement might lead one to expect. Writing off Erdös’s problems as random, useless, or meaningless dismisses his mathematical intuition, second-to-none, and strikes me as somewhat uncharitable. Finally, I agree that AI threatens mathematical training by rendering an entire class of acolyte-level research problems solvable by prompt. But the Unit Distance Problem is not of this class. | |||||||||||||||||||||||
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| ▲ | azeirah an hour ago | parent | prev | next [-] | ||||||||||||||||||||||
Do you not think that solutions to erdos problems might end up stepping stones to other important problems? Either by introducing new tools, or by proving things that were previously unproven that end up helping in unexpected ways? That's often how math goes, isn't it? | |||||||||||||||||||||||
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| ▲ | BigGreenJorts 10 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] | ||||||||||||||||||||||
Sounds like yet another example of how AI is kneecapping industries from the bottom by "removing the barrier to entry" but really just removing the training path by doing the work itself with no guidance for juniors. | |||||||||||||||||||||||
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| ▲ | yieldcrv 10 hours ago | parent | prev [-] | ||||||||||||||||||||||
That's an interesting perspective and I wholly disagree with the conclusion You are saying that tough problems with no applicability are useful because people that you happen to respect got good by their curiosity and pursuit of trying to solve these kinds of problems and failing, but branching off into other cognitive areas as mathematicians Now if I know anything about math for the sake of math, and academics, these are the same people that lament the idea of intelligent people going to the finance sector or any other trade they just happen not to respect as much The similarity being that their exact criticism of why, something they don't respect and view as having little utility, is the exact reasoning presented here now that AI can solve their pointless problems What I'm seeing is that human mathematicians have a laundry list of problems they have failed to solve for decades, centuries, which is what they are funded and employed to do. "Computer" used to a human job title too. This leads me to being excited about AI one-shotting these problems, let move on to something else. | |||||||||||||||||||||||
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