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JumpCrisscross 3 hours ago

> All three benchmarks are now structured to buy SpaceX at IPO pricing

S&P has not finalized a rule change yet.

taurath 2 hours ago | parent | next [-]

Ill bet all the decision makers wives have suddenly come into some nice island property recently though

stinkbeetle 25 minutes ago | parent | next [-]

You're claiming without evidence that the bureaucracy and regulators are corrupt to the core? No way I refuse to hear another bad word about the government, they are above reproach sir.

digitaltrees 9 minutes ago | parent | next [-]

I was a lawyer in 2008 representing banks in the financial crisis. Multiple bankers wives set up companies to by mortgage backed securities using government loans and government guarantees on payment upon default. That let the banks get the toxic mortgages off their balance sheet.

These wives were yoga teachers and socialites. And I say that as a man that is a feminist and upmost respect for the amazing women I have worked with that were absolutely world renowned professionals. The bankers wives were not in that category and were shells to eliminate the “conflict of interest”. The CEO of Goldman Sachs did this. You can find the records if you want to be on a government watch list.

riffraff 15 minutes ago | parent | prev | next [-]

To be fair, these are not regulators, just private companies making up rules, so technically this is not corruption just something that looks like it but it's just business™

HWR_14 15 minutes ago | parent | prev [-]

These are all private companies's decisions.

kevin_thibedeau an hour ago | parent | prev | next [-]

At least a new Cybertruck.

gruez 2 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

If you have evidence of corruption, present it. Otherwise it's just generic cynicism leading to a thought terminating cliche.

dools 2 hours ago | parent | next [-]

At this point in US regulatory oversight I would have a harder time finding evidence of no corruption.

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wookmaster an hour ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Why else would they change the rule ?

tikhonj 8 minutes ago | parent | next [-]

Because they think that a lot of people will want to get in on the historically massive and well-known companies, which would lead to outflows if the index doesn't pick them up fast enough?

JumpCrisscross 28 minutes ago | parent | prev [-]

> Why else would they change the rule ?

These indices aim to replicate the market. They’re not trying to pick stocks.

There is a serious argument for saying they fail to replicate the market if they structurally exclude trillions of dollars of it.

lenerdenator 19 minutes ago | parent [-]

They also exclude many other things that are of economic value, because they could cause structural or social harm in the markets.

jimjimjim an hour ago | parent | prev | next [-]

I think deep cynicism is the correct mindset to have in the current financial/political climate.

noonething an hour ago | parent | prev [-]

;)

lovich 2 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Do you think it’s more or less likely that they will make the same change as the other benchmarks?

JumpCrisscross 2 hours ago | parent [-]

> Do you think it’s more or less likely that they will make the same change as the other benchmarks?

S&P has historically been more conservative. My personal guess is they won't adopt all of the proposals.

lovich an hour ago | parent [-]

But you think they’ll adopt some of these proposals that are in the benefit of these companies IPOing at the expense of large funds?

JumpCrisscross an hour ago | parent | next [-]

> they’ll adopt some of these proposals that are in the benefit of these companies IPOing at the expense of large funds?

Yes. And I see the argument for it. It’s hard to claim you represent the market if trillions of dollars are outside it for no reason other than newness or capital-structure weirdness. (I agree with excluding unprofitable companies.)

lenerdenator 17 minutes ago | parent [-]

There's quite a bit of money in, say, the cannabis business; do they have any representation in indices of note?

sersi an hour ago | parent | prev [-]

If the S&P adopt those rules would there be any index fund that is S&P without the new rules?

themafia 2 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

Are you actually optimistic?

JumpCrisscross 2 hours ago | parent | next [-]

> Are you actually optimistic?

Not particularly. When I posted the request for comment to HN it got crickets [1].

Not enough people care about this. And the "safe" option has kind of shifted with the other index providers having moved first. That said, there were a lot of proposals and I'm not expecting all of them to be adopted.

[1] https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=48054324

loeg an hour ago | parent [-]

There's no obviously correct answer here.

raincole an hour ago | parent | prev [-]

A: posted a fact

B: but what about your emotions

Very glad to see HN stereotype being upended :)

AlexCoventry an hour ago | parent [-]

A: This has not happened yet. B: Are you actually optimistic that it won't?

That's a request for an opinion, not an emotion.