No thunderbolt is a big no for me. Its one of the greatest feature of MacbookPro that makes it dockable and expandable as a desktop with a good thunderbolt dock.

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Almondioco 4 hours ago | parent [-]

Thats also possible with usb-c.

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gillesjacobs 3 hours ago | parent [-]

With some caveats, you wouldn't be able to connect two 4k monitors to a dock without TB5.

	▲	kllrnohj 3 hours ago \| parent [-]
		USB 4 v2 has the same display capabilities as TB5. In fact, TB5 gets its display capabilities from USB 4 v2