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| ▲ | blanched an hour ago | parent | next [-] |
| That feels like deciding to go after Jetbrains because someone used IntelliJ to write a harmful program. Is there a distinction I’m missing? |
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| ▲ | pixl97 an hour ago | parent [-] | | Hypothetical: Could a model self worm an agent system? Jetbrains itself doesn't really write any code, nor does it have any range on interpreting what you're asking it. You can't really say "Jetbrains, write an HTTP scraper". With an LLM you can say "write HTTP scraper" and the output of this command might be a HTTP scraper, it also might be a crypto wallet stealing worm. This is why your simple view of liability falls apart. On most machines you can expect a particular set of actions to have a particular set of outputs. Most machines you can take apart and map what will occur. With an LLM you cannot know the output of a prompt until you run the prompt. In theory if you run the same prompt twice you'll get the same output, but even that is not a given. It behaves somewhat more like a human where you can give them a task to do, but if they do something illegal instead said human would take on the liability. | | |
| ▲ | nemomarx 22 minutes ago | parent [-] | | Sure, but in this case we know the user told their llm to go find open source projects to do this and then to write the blog posts. If it did all that unprompted we could talk about model liability I think, but this isn't a case where it was unexpected as far as anyone knows right? | | |
| ▲ | pixl97 9 minutes ago | parent [-] | | I mean we already have cases where LLMs are getting root via creative and unprompted means. Also the times AI feels like it messed up and preemptively deletes the production database (and yes this was foolish on the human users) So ya, the particular article case is prompted, but the underlying issue cannot be ignored that LLMs can have behaviors outside of prompt expectations and agentic loops can further exacerbate this. |
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| ▲ | sanderjd an hour ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| Is it? I don't think it is... |
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| ▲ | fragmede an hour ago | parent | prev [-] |
| Is that? How're the lawsuits against gun manufacturers working out? |
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| ▲ | bunderbunder an hour ago | parent [-] | | This is a specious argument. I have not studied the case law, but I would guess that the reasons why courts decide in favor of gun manufacturers generally don’t apply to AI. Becauee the guns in question are not able to autonomously shoot people, and because they generally work as advertised. A more accurate analogy would be Tesla and Autopilot. And they are being held liable in courts. They are being held responsible for autonomous behaviors that are not fully under the control of the operator, and they are being held responsible for misleading operators about the capabilities of the product. Boeing got in trouble for MCAS, with a comparable legal basis. |
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