Emigrate where? And why do you assume that the country you're gonna emigrate to will have the funds necessay to fund the research? US grants are the biggest and most generous in the world. I think the USG spends over $900 Billion every year. Europe spends about 1/10th of that. Other option is China but as a foreigner, you will never get a grant there unless you work for someone else.

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OtherShrezzing an hour ago | parent | next [-]

> I think the USG spends over $900 Billion every year. Europe spends about 1/10th of that

Do you mean that the EU spends 1/10th that, rather than Europe? Because France, Germany and the UK all spend €100-150bn each in grants depending on how you set your definition, and that’s atop the EU’s grant money.

Just eyeballing the figures across different countries, it looks like the USG distributes approximately the same amount in grants per capita as the EU & UK. Certainly not a 90% diff.

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throw0101c 2 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

> Emigrate where? And why do you assume that the country you're gonna emigrate to will have the funds necessay to fund the research?

If the choice is between $0 in the US and >$0 someplace else, you emigrate to >$0 if you want to continue your research.

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tdb7893 2 hours ago | parent | next [-]

I know scientists who want to move back home but can't because where they are from doesn't have funding for the research they do. Even with the uncertain federal funding it's still more viable than many places around the world.

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closewith an hour ago | parent | prev | next [-]

I wonder where you suggest researchers go that is both granting funding and not attaching similar or more stringent strings to the money?

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Joker_vD 2 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

Well, for most "someplace else", the choice is =$0 too.

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tvink 2 hours ago | parent [-]

You don't think the rest of the world is doing funded research?

	▲	arjie an hour ago \| parent [-]
		Interestingly, if the US stopped spending you’d need the top 17 remaining countries to double their spending to absorb the American science industry. Doubling is a tall order and seventeen is a large number. Most likely fewer scientists will find employment in government funded academia if this came to be.

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coldtea an hour ago | parent | prev | next [-]

>I think the USG spends over $900 Billion every year. Europe spends about 1/10th of that

Way off, it's way closer, even if we're just talking EU. EU (the body) alone is about 200 billion/year. EU member states are like 1-1.5 trillion/year.

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buildfocus an hour ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Europe is the obvious answer. As others have posted, your numbers here are way off. And on the flip side, there's now some major programs actively encouraging this with special grants, support, relocation bonuses: e.g. ATRAE in Spain, EURAXESS, "Choose Europe For Science", Max Planck Transatlantic Programme.

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bhokbah an hour ago | parent | prev | next [-]

1/10th?

US: $848B (2024)

EU: $508B (2024)

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UK: $102B (2023)

Switzerland: $22B (2023)

Norway: $8.2B (2024)

OECD "Gross domestic spending on R&D"

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biophysboy an hour ago | parent | prev | next [-]

That number is for the United States, not the United States government

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scrollaway an hour ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Europe.

We fund science, research and we have accelerated programs for researchers affected by these kinds of things.

If you're interested, email me (see profile). I have been helping Americans emigrate to Europe (for free) for several years.

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tuwtuwtuwtuw 2 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

I think his main point was that the art of continually licking the right asses to keep funding going is not science.

	▲	philwelch 41 minutes ago \| parent [-]
		Licking asses to get grants has been the full time job of tenured faculty for decades. Peer review just means they lick each other’s asses.

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gmerc 2 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

the US used to spend. Now borligarchs decide.

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skywhopper an hour ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Does the US spend that much anymore? How much are you willing to compromise the integrity of your research to get your slice of what’s left?

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tchalla an hour ago | parent | prev [-]

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