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drooby an hour ago

There is a class of human output that will retain value regardless of AI capability: art and sport. People care about the creator. The source defines the work, the awe, and the emotional response.

But almost all output outside that space is at risk of AI displacement. Corporations are amoral entities that optimize for profit, and they follow the law only as much as they must.

The law is our collective action. We socially construct what we value. We could fight to preserve the 5-day work week doing what machines can do. But.. I’d rather fight for collective ownership of the machines.

dolebirchwood an hour ago | parent | next [-]

> There is a class of human output that will retain value regardless of AI capability: art and sport.

I can't speak about sports, but I'll share an anecdote about art.

A friend of mine shared an AI-produced song, and I was surprised by its quality. The producer credited Suno as the only tool he used, so I was curious to see what this thing could do. Paid for the pro plan and my wife and I were having a blast coming up with songs we'd like to listen to.

They were songs that neither of us were capable of making, but they were genuinely fun to conjure (I won't say "make"--we didn't make anything) and she listens to them in the car pretty regularly now. And when we want something new, we can just conjure up some more.

Yes, I know this is only possible because of the human-created music that served as the training data. I don't intend to comment on the morality/legality of it (although it's fair conversation to have). Just noting that some of us do actually appreciate AI music.

But maybe I'm exactly the sort of sucker from Huxley's "Brave New World" that he warned about. :)

wise0wl 35 minutes ago | parent | next [-]

It's the novelty that you're chasing. Deeply consider what it is that you are enjoying, because it's not very different from doom scrolling or quickly stale bubble gum. Maybe AI produces pop music that supplants the long-standing music industry. I couldn't give a shit if it does. Pop music is nepotism and exploitation with the random artist who sneaks through.

I love music, but it is the feeling, experience, and emotion of the creator that comes through that I enjoy. I love live shows, and I love the passion that the artist brings to a live show. I will never get that from AI, so why would I listen to it? It's the same reason I will not read a book that AI makes. AI may understand the mechanisms of story telling, or what chords sound good to a human ear, but because AI cannot have a lived experience of the world it cannot create. Form without intent. Form without a nature of it's own.

I'm good. I'll pass. I think you see it too, by your commend about being the sort of sucker from 1984 and I hope that you come to realize what you are inviting in.

chrneu 24 minutes ago | parent | prev [-]

AI repeats itself. You aren't enjoying anything new, you're enjoying a version of an average.

In however many years we'll wake up and wonder why everything is the same....oh wait.

this is exactly why people dont like this. it creates an echo chamber in art which kills what art itself is about. it normalizes noise.

yummybrainz an hour ago | parent | prev | next [-]

> I’d rather fight for collective ownership of the machines.

I would love if we could force the big tech companies to release their models + weights since they're fundamentally products built on the collective labors of humanity (at least some of which is licensed under the GPL or the CC-BY-SA).

If I could hit a button and abolish copyright and the notion of intellectual property, I would.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Free-culture_movement

nlawalker an hour ago | parent | prev | next [-]

>But almost all output outside that space is at risk of AI displacement.

I don't necessarily disagree, but I would also argue that there's art in a lot of that output, in the form of intent, decision making and communication. But I admit that the value of those really depends on the eye of the beholder and the situation.

xgulfie an hour ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Art is definitely being devalued by AI, today. I'm sure Banksy is fine but artists along the margins are competing with genAI

thrownthatway 41 minutes ago | parent | prev [-]

Ah yes, socialism.

Surely it’ll work this time.

defrost 34 minutes ago | parent | next [-]

Reddit benefits from ankle deep snark, unlike HN.

tempaccountabgd 23 minutes ago | parent [-]

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rogerrogerr 3 minutes ago | parent | prev | next [-]

As a lifelong conservative and capitalist, even I think this might be the thing that makes some form of socialism possible.

righthand 12 minutes ago | parent | prev [-]

Yeah corporate socialism is working so well this time.