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daft_pink 23 minutes ago

I think when these companies IPO later this year, we’re going to see the reality of the PNL numbers and whether they are sustainable etc as all the financials will become public.

Rumor mill suggests that Anthropic might be profitable (but at what magnitude), OpenAI is not profitable, Google is mostly vertically integrated and has a low cost structure as they are have pre-existing data center buildouts, their own silicon and experience that suggests they will be able to operate at a very low cost, but they still have to justify their spend.

I think having to report numbers publically on a quarterly basis will bring the whole thing into reality.

daxfohl 14 minutes ago | parent | next [-]

Agreed, and assuming local open AI models start catching up, which they seem to be doing, the foundation models' hold on society gets a lot slipperier. If there's a "what to do about all this" from an engineer's standpoint, pushing the needle toward local models, whether in research, agents, or just using them, understanding how they work, and advocating for them when it makes sense (which is more often than they get credit for) is probably the best ROI.

dangus 10 minutes ago | parent [-]

While I agree with you on open models getting better, I have been starting to see how the value, the reason you pay for Claude, isn’t in the models.

For example, I just hooked Claude desktop up to my outlook to build a report for my timesheet then I used the chrome extension to fill it out automatically with that data. It could read Jira tickets if that’s where the information was.

A local model can’t do that for me because I have to get the rest of the integration software somewhere.

I also think this is why OpenAI is the worst positioned of the group of AI giants. Anthropic is trying to make a productivity operating system, while ChatGPT is basically just a website until recently.

Zigurd 18 minutes ago | parent | prev | next [-]

> later this year

One can hope that reality intrudes before the bubble gets even more dangerously inflated, but how many years has Tesla had a ridiculous P/E ratio. Even after growth stagnated and market leadership was lost in Asia and Europe. Number still goes up.

hnthrow0287345 9 minutes ago | parent [-]

If anything though, this shows that at least tech driven hype bubbles can stay around way longer than we think if we are looking at it from a product POV.

This just means short sellers might have a hard time sinking a hype-category stock with reasoned research because the irrationality keeps it afloat.

ChartMaster22 2 minutes ago | parent [-]

"Markets can remain irrational longer than you can remain solvent." - John Maynard Keynes

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fragmede 13 minutes ago | parent | prev [-]

> having to report numbers publically on a quarterly basis

They won't need to do that if the new rules come into effect.