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MBCook an hour ago

Right.

At this point burying money in jars in the back yard and forgetting where some are has a much higher rate of return.

hparadiz an hour ago | parent [-]

Using Google’s own IPO S-1 / SEC filings:

Year Revenue Net income / loss

1998 Not reported

1999 $220k -$6.076M

2000 $19.108M -$14.690M

Do you guys not know what a loss lead is?

parliament32 an hour ago | parent | next [-]

I have no doubt there are a handful of positive examples when we ignore the tens of thousands of failed companies along these lines.

I have no problem with money-furnaces trading publicly. If people want to invest in those, fantastic, power to them. But they absolutely should not be included in vehicles like pensions and indexes.

marcosdumay an hour ago | parent | prev | next [-]

You seem to be ignoring that a loss lead is supposed to lead people into doing something profitable.

MadxX79 an hour ago | parent | prev | next [-]

But Google didn't go public until 2004, when they were highly profitable.

Every startup goes through a phase where they aren't profitable... For most of of them that ends when they go bankrupt.

logifail an hour ago | parent | prev | next [-]

> Do you guys not know what a loss lead is?

We don't know which of today's companies will be successful and/or highly-valued in N years' time.

Check Cisco's valuation on March 27, 2000; it was briefly the most valuable publically traded company in the world. Almost everyone believed it was worth it. Then it fell 88% over two years.

Full disclosure: some of us are old enough to have held stocks during the dot-com boom. Fortunately I was still a student and therefore too poor to have had any significant amount of money to lose :)

MBCook 34 minutes ago | parent | prev [-]

Survivorship bias.

Also, those numbers are multiple orders of magnitude smaller than the AI stuff going on now.