| ▲ | ismaelyws 2 hours ago |
| Yep, if AI gutters the middleclass and small budinesses who you gonna sell to? |
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| ▲ | Miner49er 2 hours ago | parent | next [-] |
| Well that part of the economy and anything that caters to it might just die. The whole economy would be whatever AI/robots need: compute, energy, raw materials, software, data, etc. |
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| ▲ | siriusastrebe 24 minutes ago | parent [-] | | Perhaps the economy is a greater entity than even the human race. When robots are mining the raw materials for robots and creating more robots, maybe with a bit of human labor in the mix, then what drives the demand for more robots? Currently the narrative is that AI is positioned to eat human labor's lunch. But it could also be that once robots are in space mining raw materials and maybe even spreading to other planets long before humans could be ferried for interstellar, these robots end up driving the demand for more robots. I'm not sure where I'm going with all this, besides that currently humans are the ones with goals and motives and therefore drive demand. But that doesn't necessarily need to be the case, and it seems these AI CEOs are hellbent on changing the best thing about AI which is that it has no ulterior motives, no overarching goals, no prime directives. They just do what we ask, the best servant we could have hoped for. | | |
| ▲ | Miner49er 18 minutes ago | parent [-] | | > Perhaps the economy is a greater entity than even the human race. This is central to what I'm saying, yeah. My ideas come from Nick Land. Even before AI was what it is today he predicted that capitalism would outgrow the need for humanity, and continue without us. We are simply a bootloader for capitalism. AI seems like it could actually make that idea reality. | | |
| ▲ | siriusastrebe 10 minutes ago | parent [-] | | Certainly plausible. Humans have goals and desires because we are a self-replicating species of animal subject to natural selection. The individuals that don't have goals and desires, or have goals and desires that are misaligned end up selected out of the gene pool. Agency comes from the need to survive. Worker ants and worker bees don't have agency on their own. They are goal oriented and have the 'desire' to do work for the colony (or not, researchers have identified some workers will be lazy), however, worker ants or bees don't reproduce. They are an evolutionary dead end. I think this is similar to how we will build robots, at first. They will do things, but have no agency of their own. They exist to fulfill tasks. Why would they? The companies that buy them want dutiful workers. So when do robots gain their own agency? Will AGI have it's own goals and agenda? If so, will it be merely for self-replication? Like a paperclip maximizer, but for robots? Is that all we are? |
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| ▲ | pixl97 an hour ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| Why do economies need people? We look at the past and say 'People are labor', but what happens when people are no longer labor? Effectively people live on handouts from people that own AI, or the AI itself. All those Greed is Good people are going to look kind of silly when a hand full of greedy people fight over everything and leave the rest of us for dead. |
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| ▲ | wiseowise an hour ago | parent | prev [-] |
| You’ll be entertainers for the rich class. Teen prostitutes, jesters, and caretakers, while they live their best lives. |
