I love that Framework exists and I hope they succeed.

I have been recommending them to friends and family who are looking for Windows or Linux laptops, though with some reservations due to the problems with a couple of their models.

However I don't see the value in the Framework 12 over a MacBook Neo if someone isn't choosing by OS first. The $499 MacBook Neo is just so good for the price and so well built. The $499 price is the education price, which is relevant for the student in the story.

The upgradeability is a benefit of the Framework 12, but look at the premium you pay for that option: $799 versus $499 is a 60% premium paid up front. You could sell the MacBook Neo for $200 in a couple years and buy a next-generation MacBook Neo for probably a very similar financial to buying the Framework 12 and not upgrading it.

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marssaxman 15 minutes ago | parent | next [-]

> if someone isn't choosing by OS first.

What a surprising idea! I have always and only chosen by OS first. Are there really a significant number of people willing to buy a computer with no concern for the type of software it will be able to run?

	▲	Aurornis 3 minutes ago \| parent \| next [-]
		> Are there really a significant number of people willing to buy a computer with no concern for the type of software it will be able to run? Most common software that typical buyers use is available on Mac or Windows: Web browsers, office software, maybe an e-mail client. This is why Chromebooks are a viable option, too. Even my software development workflows are mostly cross-platform when I think about it. I can run all of my IDEs and text editors on my Mac, Windows, and Linux computers.
	▲	jerlam 3 minutes ago \| parent \| prev \| next [-]
		Most regular users do everything via the web, where there is little difference between the OSes. Gaming is the only thing that comes to mind where regular users notice a dramatic difference.
	▲	mingus88 4 minutes ago \| parent \| prev [-]
		Outside of tech professionals, yes. It’s 2026 and what people don’t do in an app, they mostly do in a browser. An entire generation of “digital native” people are now adults who don’t even understand what a file system is, don’t understand folder structures, and don’t care what OS they run. That said, having a computer that seamlessly integrates with their mobile device is a huge feature. So the MacBook neo not only being so affordable but fitting into the Apple ecosystem is a slam dunk for normal people

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cromka 22 minutes ago | parent | prev [-]

This. People really underestimate or straight up ignore resale value of Apple products. Just because you can upgrade a Framework laptop it doesn't make it a better value over the long term.

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gosub100 8 minutes ago | parent [-]

Can't believe the cost of the trash can mac pros. I always wanted one and put it on my long term to-do list, but they're still $500+. Even if they can be had for less, I won't buy one because my tolerance for tinkering has since dwindled. But it's quite a testament that they are still that expensive.

	▲	mingus88 a few seconds ago \| parent [-]
		I mean, you have always wanted one. Can you say the same thing about any other PC? You understand the demand for them. It’s you.