I think Framework would disagree that their target market consists solely of people ideologically opposed to owning Apple hardware.

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horsawlarway 26 minutes ago | parent [-]

They might disagree with that framing, but it does seem to be the majority of folks I see who are interested in them.

And I'm not saying that as a negative - my Framework 13 is my favorite laptop by a fairly wide margin, but it's clearly not at the hardware level of my work issued mac.

Apple produces fantastic hardware. It's a shame I can't stand them as a company, and that they cripple that hardware with their OS.

Prior to framework, I'd be buying something along the lines of a Dell XPS (developer edition for linux compatibility) because a mac is just a non-starter for me. But a mac hands-down the best hardware you can get for a personal laptop right now. Turns out that's not the main driver of what laptop I want.

	▲	tracker1 6 minutes ago \| parent [-]
		> But a mac hands-down the best hardware you can get for a personal laptop right now That's pretty much almost always been the case with Mac laptops though. Last Intel gen(s) aside for heat at the top end. I find that Apple's overall build quality, display and touchpads have pretty much always been second to none... I like the keyboards on most Thinkpads, especially historically, more than Apple's though. That said, being able to run Linux proper has become a higher priority... I plan to continue using my M1 air until it dies or I can't stand it anymore... but I bought it with 16gb ram and a bigger drive, so it does what I need and then some. I don't "work" on it, so that isn't a big deal and I can remote edit in VS Code to my desktop via wireguard+ssh wherever I am with internet access. That could be a differentiator, but my vision is so bad, I probably won't be able to get away with the maxed out display on any laptop eventually.