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btilly 23 minutes ago

I am reminded of Veritasium: What Everyone Gets Wrong About AI and Learning (original video https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0xS68sl2D70) from a year ago.

"The world is full of heavy things, and yet most of us aren't ripped."

AI is an opportunity. On the one hand, it can be used to let our minds and social lives atrophy. On the other hand, it is an opportunity to help our minds grow. Most people will make the lazy choice. But you can choose to do otherwise.

Take, for example, speeches. I do not let AI write my speeches. But my speeches are better for having been critiqued by AI. But the result is still my speech. My thoughts, my ideas, my words, and my meaning. Just improved with rounds of feedback about where it fell flat, where I was likely to lose people, and so on. Feedback that I had to fix.

So do not let AI write your speeches. But do use it to push yourself harder.

cstever 20 minutes ago | parent | next [-]

>Take, for example, speeches. I do not let AI write my speeches. But my speeches are better for having been critiqued by AI. But the result is still my speech. My thoughts, my ideas, my words, and my meaning. Just improved with rounds of feedback about where it fell flat, where I was likely to lose people, and so on. Feedback that I had to fix.

> So do not let AI write your speeches. But do use it to push yourself harder.

This used to be the job of our friends, families, and coworkers: To push us harder. I think we are losing something.

Aurornis 4 minutes ago | parent | next [-]

It’s not mutually exclusive. LLMs aren’t doing the same job as social encouragement to do better.

There’s also limit to how much you can expect coworkers, friends, and family to review your work. An LLM can act as a rubber duck debug partner or a reviewer hundreds of times per time. You cannot have friends and family at your service all day.

vitally3643 13 minutes ago | parent | prev | next [-]

> This used to be the job of our friends, families, and coworkers: To push us harder. I think we are losing something.

No, and if you think that, your friends, family, and coworkers probably don't like you that much. You can push yourself harder for someone else, but it is and has always been something you do. Making it everyone else's problem to improve you makes you a codependent asshole. You can and should find purpose and meaning, even motivation and inspiration in others. It is not anyone's "job" to make you a better person.

That's precisely the kind of thinking that's landed us in the mess we're in. Abdication of personal responsibility. Shifting blame and responsibility from yourself onto anyone nearby. It is your job to make yourself a better person for the people around you. Not the other way around.

cstever 5 minutes ago | parent | next [-]

It's not about making them be responsible for me or offloading my problems or them making me better.

It's about community. And real people often like to help. If your circle doesn't, find someone who does. Find a community.

I enjoy helping people be better, to reach new heights in their personal lives. It's about relationships.

My thoughts aren't about "abdication of personal responsibility" or "Shifting blame".

It's about humanity and people and community.

Arainach 5 minutes ago | parent | prev | next [-]

There's no abdication of personal responsibility. To be the kind of person who wants to constantly improve, it is incredibly important to surround yourself with similar people.

You will always grow faster spending time with someone who says "couldn't you also try X" than someone who always says "that's good enough, why don't you relax and watch some TV".

itsalwaysgood 7 minutes ago | parent | prev [-]

This is good stuff. At the end of the day, we all have finite time. How we choose to spend that time is a personal matter.

Some say we're losing our humanity: that can be seen as good or bad, depending on whether or not you think you are more useful than someone else.

elliotbnvl 15 minutes ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Why can’t they continue to do so?

If anything an underlying truth about humanity is being exposed: we take the easy way out far more often than we’d like to admit.

Perhaps, this truth being made explicit is a wakeup call that will teach us the value of that hard work anew.

After all, nothing the author’s written isn’t also true about Google, but nobody realized how bad of a mistake that was.

jimbokun 14 minutes ago | parent [-]

> Why can’t they continue to do so?

Because we are talking to the AIs instead of talking to them.

> After all, nothing the author’s written isn’t also true about Google, but nobody realized how bad of a mistake that was.

There was plenty written about how Google was making us dumber because we didn't need to remember anything any more.

lanfeust6 6 minutes ago | parent [-]

> instead of

Citation needed. People did not stop talking to family, friends and colleagues just because they're able to leverage LLMs.

btilly 16 minutes ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Odd. I never had any friends, families, or coworkers who were willing to be available for a dozen rough drafts. I've only had ones who were willing to talk during the idea stage, or after it was closer to a final speech.

For me, AI gives me feedback at places that I wouldn't have received it before. It does not replace the human feedback that I still look for.

cstever 10 minutes ago | parent [-]

Less about the draft/writing and more about human interaction on all levels. I don't see how AI becoming a mentor or a coach to push me harder is helpful in the long run. I would be missing out on opportunity to learn from real life experience. I'd rather listen to my brother or my coworker or whomever human, pick their brain, riff, dig deeper, understand their perspective from life experiences and actual meaningful thought and moral compass than have AI (take intelligence with a grain of salt) influence me.

lanfeust6 12 minutes ago | parent | prev [-]

You could make the same argument for the internet pre-LLM; it could be relied upon over immediate connections. It's also reminiscent of Socrates's skepticism of written text over oral tradition.

Speeches haven't gone away, videos are more popular than ever, and consulting within our social circle will continue on.

I think there's something to be said about there being an isolationist phenomenon in society that might be contributing in part to low fertility, but that significantly pre-dates LLMs. It's easy and convenient for us to be alone - people create friction. We've been entertained by the TV set for a century now. That said, we remain social creatures and enduringly have a need to be with others, at least to some extent.

quadrature 8 minutes ago | parent | prev | next [-]

> Most people will make the lazy choice. But you can choose to do otherwise

I'd like for it to be a choice. AI is injected into search now, when you install vscode they have a prompt input sitting there and they nudge you to use it. Of course you can opt out of this stuff but it has become the default.

As someone teaching their nephew how to code i really want him to struggle and exercise his problem solving skills instead of having every touchpoint offer him an instant answer.

chasebank 13 minutes ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Every new technology promises to fundamentally change learning, education, personal growth and ends up being used in the laziest way by 99% of people. Radio, TV, internet, now AI. Eating right and exercise or GLP1?

I agree with the sentiment, however, by definition most people will not follow your advice.

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the_af 8 minutes ago | parent | prev [-]

> So do not let AI write your speeches. But do use it to push yourself harder.

Isn't the point of the poem that you should, instead, ask a human? You'll get sidetracked and drawn into unrelated conversations, sure, but that's what it means being human. Trying to optimize these distractions away means you deprive yourself from human interactions. And why optimize anyway, what's the end goal?

That's my take from the poem, anyway.