	▲	alasdair_ 12 hours ago \| parent \| next [-]
		Next you’ll be telling us the shocking news that one of the parties used EMAIL!
	▲	wredcoll 13 hours ago \| parent \| prev [-]
		Ha ha, nobody real uses youtube right, not like presidential addresses go out on youtube....

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geekone 12 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

would you rather it phrased they are guilty and associated with the same religion? what's the gripe here?

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z3c0 14 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

Yes, actually, a bunch of people of the same religion (cult, really), university, and now, organized theft, are indeed guilty by association. I'm glad you see it too.

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kjs3 13 hours ago | parent [-]

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	▲	z3c0 12 hours ago \| parent [-]
		You seem to deeply misunderstand how juries work. It's an assortment of peoples for a reason.

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protocolture 16 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

If their atheist affiliation had a pattern of this exact behaviour, that had been documented even so far as how it had corrupted the FBI.

https://academic.oup.com/california-scholarship-online/book/...

Why yes, 6 day old account, I would say the same in that scenario. Thanks for playing.

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eks391 9 hours ago | parent [-]

Without an account with the journal, all I could read was the abstract, but it didn't hint to me that they corrupted the FBI, whatever that means, but have a high representation within the FBI.

Someone recently told me that when he worked for the BLM, there was a lot of LDS folk, which reinforced my observation that they are overrepresented in federal jobs in general (I have no evidence for this, just several anecdotes). I assumed it is because they usually don't smoke marijuana, so they are more likely to be eligible. That abstract gave more compelling possibilities that I didn't think of, that don't seem conspiratorial, like the higher multilingual likelihood at concentrated places like BYU, making it a great spot for recruiting.

Does the article go into more detail on how they "corrupted" the FBI that is not easily explained by them simply being ideal FBI hires?

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protocolture 9 hours ago | parent | next [-]

I have read multiple accounts from insiders that were effectively:

1. LDS members can be obligated to provide each other jobs where possible.

2. LDS members (especially of the same congregation) are obligated to not report on each other to non LDS authorities.

And these factors made it sort of an invasion, where after a couple of likely competent LDS members started to make towards the top of government hierarchies, they started ballooning these organisations with their compatriots. Theres been a heap of money spent changing the public perception of this towards "Oh actually Mormons make great public sector employees because they dont drink".

You wont find much for this outside of books usually from retired spooks or journalists who involve themselves in that area.

But the issues have occasionally spilled over to public notice.

https://www.upi.com/Archives/1985/10/02/Former-FBI-agent-tes...

	▲	grosswait 3 hours ago \| parent [-]
		Please stop spreading misinformation. Neither assertion is remotely true. Affinity groups naturally form in an organization when enough are present, and this applies to all peoples and cultures. It doesn’t mean there is some mandate from some authority.

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eff-nix 9 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

Exactly. The abstract essentially says “these people make for great employees for X Y Z reasons, but many people look at that and come up with conspiracy theories based on it”. Then the Parent says “look the research agrees with me!”

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mijoharas 16 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Yes. Wouldn't you?

	▲	eff-nix 16 hours ago \| parent [-]
		No.

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fragmede 16 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

Depends. Do the atheists of your region have literal physical temples where they hold weekly ceremonies and tithings to a central coordinating organization that goes back almost 200 years?

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eff-nix 16 hours ago | parent [-]

They all pay taxes, if that’s what you mean. I’m not seeing how the deity is relevant.

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fragmede 15 hours ago | parent [-]

What's the weekly gathering (usually Sunday morning) the organization they pay taxes to hold?

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eff-nix 15 hours ago | parent [-]

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rithdmc 3 hours ago | parent | next [-]

idk about you, but I don't pay my taxes to sports authorities.

The sports authorities get my gambling losses.

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fragmede 15 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Where do you live that weekly public sports competitions is possibly, "idk", a function of the organization that collects taxes?

	▲	eff-nix 9 hours ago \| parent [-]
		Public schools have sports teams. Your property taxes pay for those, among other things. If a few hockey players were in a crime I wouldn’t be spouting nonsense about hockey mafias. And that’s a cohort less than one on thousandth the size.

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jrflowers 15 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

Mormons don’t go to temple every week. That would be an impossible logistical nightmare

	▲	sapphicsnail 12 hours ago \| parent [-]
		I think the parent meant church. Most people aren't aware of the different functions of LDS churches, temples, and wards.