| ▲ | Lonestar1440 4 hours ago |
| I am not harmed when I go through a toll plaza or an express lane. Nor when I pass a flock camera. You are boxing with phantoms, I think. |
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| ▲ | macintux 3 hours ago | parent | next [-] |
| > Nor when I pass a flock camera. You are not, or at least, you think you are not. How far removed are we from the federal government revoking the passports of everyone who attended a No Kings rally, anywhere in the country? |
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| ▲ | Lonestar1440 3 hours ago | parent | next [-] | | ... And what do you think stops them from revoking the passports, today? Do you think it is Courts and the looming Midterms; or are they just flummoxed by the lack of good surveillance data? It's really a fantasy and a silly Taboo. Our Democracy will live or die by politics, not silly rules on data collection at the margins. | | |
| ▲ | macintux 3 hours ago | parent [-] | | We’ve never had a central data store that would make it practical to achieve such a feat. Now we have one that could answer questions like this, forever. Mass surveillance at scale is not a trivial problem to solve, but Flock is both making it happen and making it clear that they are fine with enabling bad actors to take advantage of it. | | |
| ▲ | Lonestar1440 3 hours ago | parent [-] | | The FBI has been an IBM customer for a very long time. Like maybe the "cheap cameras everywhere" part is novel + important, but "central data store" truly is not. Slippery reasoning like this is how silly taboos get perpetuated. | | |
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| ▲ | TimorousBestie 3 hours ago | parent | prev [-] | | > How far removed are we from the federal government revoking the passports of everyone who attended a No Kings rally, anywhere in the country? Many trans people have already had their passports revoked, for some there is no path to obtaining one again, and it is deeply unsettling to me. |
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| ▲ | croes 3 hours ago | parent | prev [-] |
| > I am not harmed when I go through a toll plaza or an express lane. Yet. The jewish people had no problem that the government had detailed lists including the religion. It helped the Nazis killing many jews. Total surveillance will always be abused like every other invasive law. First it’s against child abuse and terrorist, then organized crime, then crimes like theft, then littering and jaywalking, then swearing in public |
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| ▲ | Lonestar1440 3 hours ago | parent [-] | | Were the lists really the problem though? Or was it the Genocidal Intent? The first mass killings, on the Eastern Front, made no use of such sophistication and had no need of it. It's always Politics.... Terrible ones in the case of WW2 Germany. | | |
| ▲ | amanaplanacanal 2 hours ago | parent | next [-] | | By that logic, why bother requiring search warrants? As long as government doesn't have bad intent, it should all be fine. | |
| ▲ | croes 2 hours ago | parent | prev [-] | | Yes, the lists where the problem because it is a lot easier to find your victims if you have a list of their addresses. You‘ll never know when the next group with bad intent get access to surveillance data. Every crime organization would be glad to have the opportunity to find witnesses in witness protection. Was a lot harder back then. |
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