| ▲ | Lonestar1440 4 hours ago |
| We need to tighten the legal guardrails around this data and punish cops who misuse it. This would move society in a positive direction. Making the data itself a Taboo, just to avoid jailing bad cops, does not. |
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| ▲ | torpfactory 4 hours ago | parent | next [-] |
| I don't think any entity (including but not limited to the government) should be allowed to create or maintain data sets of people's near or real time location data. Think about all the ways this data can be misused. We are truly creating the chains that will bind us by allowing these kinds of tools to exist. And for what? We managed for generations to do policing without LPRs. Are we so drowning in crime that we should create universal surveillance as a solution? |
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| ▲ | ToucanLoucan an hour ago | parent [-] | | > Are we so drowning in crime Not only are we not drowning in it, virtually all crime is at historic lows. The world has never been safer, the problem is every bad thing now is reported on every major news feed and shot across every social media algorithm. People have paradoxically never been safer, and never been more terrified. And none of this is helped at all by greaseball politicians who use fear of the Other to line their pockets and increase their power. |
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| ▲ | Zigurd 3 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| > and punish cops who misuse it Cops, who commit domestic violence that rate at least twice that of the general public, misuse ALPR's to stalk women. But I will accept an example of any punishment for any misuse as a sign that such punishment could actually happen. |
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| ▲ | arvid-lind 4 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| > punish cops just say you're not being serious and save us the time. |
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| ▲ | Lonestar1440 3 hours ago | parent [-] | | This is such a silly perspective and it stands in the way of making things better. Cops are not going away. And we're not going to hide from them through Cyber-Libertarianism. We can either accept the status quo or, yes, push for more accountability from the agents of the state. | | |
| ▲ | xoa 3 hours ago | parent [-] | | >And we're not going to hide from them through Cyber-Libertarianism. Like we did for over 230 years? I'm not entirely sure why you choose to call that period before vast ALPR networks "cyber-libertarianism", I'm not a serious historian as perhaps you are but that's a label for the first few centuries of American history I haven't encountered before. But it sorta feels like we somehow made it through it and in fact did pretty well in much of it? Despite us simply forbidding cops from using certain tools or techniques. So what precisely do you think has changed such that if we don't enable an unaccountable panopticon, it'll mean things will be worse? And have you maybe considered that we should pursue your noble dream of "more accountability from agents of the state" first, and see success BEFORE we give them vast new powers? Like, how about the new powers after that works? | | |
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| ▲ | torpfactory 3 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| Why not also require that cell companies share up to the second location data with authorities? It would be so much easier to catch criminals! |
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| ▲ | cindyllm 4 hours ago | parent | prev [-] |
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