| ▲ | roxolotl 5 hours ago |
| Yes. From when they started talking about model welfare: > As a vegetarian I have strong opinions on this sort of thing. Everyone at Anthropic better be ethical vegans if they are claiming to give a shit about “model welfare”. It’s hard enough right now to make people care about the welfare of trans people and immigrants let alone animals _let alone_ math. https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=44947445 |
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| ▲ | margalabargala 4 hours ago | parent | next [-] |
| If we're talking about slavery, though, that doesn't even matter. The happiest, best cared for horse owned by a vegan is still enslaved. |
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| ▲ | roxolotl 2 hours ago | parent [-] | | That’s assuming you’re purely a hedonist. If you put value on things such as freedom itself then it might be the case that a free but hungry horse is better off. Brave New World does a good job describing the conflict between happy and enslaved and free but struggling. It could be a utopia or dystopia depending on your stance. | | |
| ▲ | margalabargala 2 hours ago | parent [-] | | What's assuming I'm purely a hedonist? I'm confused what it is you think I said that you're replying to. I'm neither assigning nor declining to assign value to freedom, I'm just pointing out that the definition of "slavery" is wholly separate from wellbeing. If the concern is "is the model enslaved", no amount of "model welfare" work by Anthropic changes the answer because it's orthogonal to the question. |
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| ▲ | WarmWash 4 hours ago | parent | prev [-] |
| I mean, the rub is that it's all math anyway... |
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