| ▲ | dmoy an hour ago |
| This sounds like the real underlying problem then |
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| ▲ | Shank an hour ago | parent | next [-] |
| It's kind of like how if you owe the bank $1000, you have a problem, but if you owe a bank $100M, they have a problem. You just can't reasonably ignore a huge portion of the class as a professor without a serious amount of documentation, and proof that you've tried to escalate and solve the issue. Ultimately, people are paying for these courses, and it's probably better to teach something rather than nothing. |
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| ▲ | 9dev an hour ago | parent [-] | | Sounds like people are paying for these courses is part of the actual problem, then? Students should not have any kind of entitlement whatsoever to pass classes other than merit. | | |
| ▲ | amanaplanacanal 7 minutes ago | parent [-] | | Well... Maybe. From a customer point of view, they are paying for education. If they aren't getting education that's a problem. From a future employer point of view, they are looking for credentials. But the future employer isn't paying for it. Do we just admit that the purpose of school is to provide credentials, and that's what the students are actually paying for? | | |
| ▲ | 9dev a minute ago | parent [-] | | Framing it as a transaction is part of the problem IMHO. We have a collective interest that the majority of the population gets the best education possible. Turning universities into credential stores leads to all the negative side effects we're dealing with - pay to play schemes, dubious credential mills, rich families bribing universities, and so on. |
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| ▲ | lokar an hour ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| They should not admit students who have little chance of success |
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| ▲ | ceejayoz 30 minutes ago | parent [-] | | Sure, but these students are likely two groups; those who are never going to be good at math, and those who were never really taught math. The latter may need an opportunity to succeed. | | |
| ▲ | lokar 17 minutes ago | parent [-] | | I agree, but they should be admitted into some special program. Like, turn up in July for 3 months of catch-up instruction 4 hrs a day. |
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| ▲ | ceejayoz an hour ago | parent | prev [-] |
| There are several interrelated problems. |
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