| ▲ | FBI Arrests CIA Official with $40M in Gold Bars in His Home(nytimes.com) |
| 103 points by cwwc 3 hours ago | 52 comments |
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| ▲ | NooneAtAll3 an hour ago | parent | next [-] |
| That's ~280kg of gold if anyone wonders |
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| ▲ | xnx an hour ago | parent [-] | | It would make such a fantastic set of barbell plates. | | |
| ▲ | CSSer 35 minutes ago | parent [-] | | Gold is pretty soft. You would have to cut it to 10 carat, so there’s be even more to go around! | | |
| ▲ | elif 19 minutes ago | parent | next [-] | | Nah literally crushing plates would feel so good. Worth the effort to melt it again every few sessions | |
| ▲ | thrownthatway 14 minutes ago | parent | prev [-] | | Having to handle the plates with care and the damage they’d take regardless would add to the charm. |
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| ▲ | vostrocity an hour ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| How porous is the CIA's interview process that they couldn't validate the guy's military discharge status? |
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| ▲ | PedroBatista 14 minutes ago | parent | next [-] | | The type of people Intelligence agencies need and use to accomplish their goals are also the type of people who tend to do these things. | |
| ▲ | IncreasePosts 22 minutes ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | How porous is the approving manager/chain that someone can request 300kg of gold bars and no one knows why and they just approve it any way. | |
| ▲ | EA-3167 33 minutes ago | parent | prev [-] | | When it comes to stories involving intelligence agencies I generally assume that I’m not getting the whole or accurate story. |
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| ▲ | hnthrowaway0315 an hour ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| Maybe this is part of the shadow money. CIA has been working with business people since the beginning of Cold War and I wouldn't be surprised that they have deep roots in the financial world -- after all both Intelligence and Finance need globalization. |
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| ▲ | paradoxyl 15 minutes ago | parent | next [-] | | The cover of national security has allowed a certain type of organized crime to proliferate to the point it's breaking society. | | | |
| ▲ | moralestapia an hour ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | I don't think it's connected to this specific event, but there's a lot of lore about the CIA moving gold in/out of Afghanistan, Iraq and others during war time. | | |
| ▲ | hnthrowaway0315 11 minutes ago | parent [-] | | I used to read a lot about Michele Sindona who was supposed to be connected to the Mafia and the intelligence community. His currency trading firm was one of the first to trade the Eurodollar contracts back in the 60s, IIRC. I think intelligence and finance really go hand in hand. It makes so much sense -- you see, the intelligence community really hates the congress or whatever to snoop around its operations before approving the budget -- wouldn't it a lot easier to just earn your own $$? And with all the information the intelligence agencies control, it is almost trivial to make quick money in finance. Last but not the least, wouldn't banker be the perfect cover for spies? They wear nice suites, too. |
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| ▲ | themafia 36 minutes ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | They want globalization to make their jobs easier. In no sense do they "need" it. Whether we want a world where the desires of intelligence and finance are blindly prioritized is an open question. For my part the answer is obviously no. | | |
| ▲ | hnthrowaway0315 7 minutes ago | parent [-] | | I think most ordinary people would say No, but most of us do not have a say in any important things. They put up the facade of voting while all the important stuffs are decided within the circles. I think it really makes sense to consider ourselves to be just intelligent cattle -- they still tolerate us because they need us to turn natural resources into machinery, weapon, insights and other stuffs they need, but once AI and robots keep up, they can probably get rid of 90% of us. |
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| ▲ | hmmokidk an hour ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | Epstein and Mossad Not the first | | | |
| ▲ | JumpCrisscross an hour ago | parent | prev [-] | | It’s almost certainly grift. If it were official, the arrest would have been scrubbed. | | |
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| ▲ | skeledrew 17 minutes ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| Guy sounds like a dragon. What's the deal with the watches though? |
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| ▲ | exabrial 44 minutes ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| If this were a Jason Bourne movie, it was the CIA that put the gold bars there. |
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| ▲ | AmazingEveryDay 3 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| This seems absolutely crazy. Probably Fort Knox should be inventoried, might indeed not be anything there! |
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| ▲ | yieldcrv an hour ago | parent [-] | | This is different than that and scant on pertinent details It says he received it as compensation for expenses, not that it was ever in some government vault. This is additional gold and foreign currency that an agency had, not the reserve. It then says > When the C.I.A. conducted a review of where the gold and currency were stashed Why would they do that if it was compensation for expenses He wasn't charged for that, and the phrasing doesn't suggest it was supposed to be remitted to the government if the CIA didn't have a history of being involved in shady shit like this that already explains everything, this would be weird instead it looks like he's got burned over his necessary use of fibbed identity |
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| ▲ | mmooss 39 minutes ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| The CIA legitimately engages in bribery and hard asset payments. Note that the CIA approved his request and gave him these assets (or at least many of them - the paragraph below doesn't specify the amount). > From last November to March, the court papers say, Mr. Rush asked for, and received, “a significant quantity of foreign currency and tens of millions of dollars in gold bars for work-related expenses.” Possibly the question here is, why did Rush take them home. It's always possible Rush was just sloppy and undisciplined, which would also reflect a cultural problem. Many people have been found with secret documents in their homes. |
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| ▲ | sleepyguy 2 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| Sounds like he was most likely involved in some serious shit that was off the books and somehow it came to light. His boss is probably aware of what it was but no one will admit shit. It went awry and he is left holding the bag. Gold and money for an operation that could have been to anything from funding armed rebellion to god only knows. |
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| ▲ | asdff an hour ago | parent | next [-] | | $40m+ in an expense account based in gold bars is absolutely crazy. CIA agents must have access to untold resources if this is seen as a somewhat regular 4 month spend. Seems it is, given that they seemingly weren't concerned about the $40+ million being taken out, but where it was being held. | | |
| ▲ | coliveira an hour ago | parent [-] | | The "resources" are off the books, it must be just the tip of the iceberg. |
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| ▲ | fn-mote an hour ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | I thought this was baseless speculation, but from TFA: > [he] asked for, and received, “a significant quantity of foreign currency and tens of millions of dollars in gold bars for work-related expenses. | |
| ▲ | golem14 34 minutes ago | parent | prev [-] | | Yeah, this reads like right out of "Burn notice". |
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| ▲ | johnea an hour ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| > millions of dollars in gold bars for work-related expenses. Hey, handing over millions of $$s to local warlords is a business expense... |
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| ▲ | delichon an hour ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| A couple of weeks ago there was a story that the CIA raided the office of the director of the NSA and seized information regarding the CIA. Trump was in China at the time. About a week later the NSA director resigns. I waited for it to turn into a major story and get some kind of explanation, but silence. It seems like an extraordinary story and I don't understand why there isn't a hullabaloo. Did I hallucinate it? Who runs this country? |
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| ▲ | m348e912 4 minutes ago | parent | next [-] | | There might be a mix up on the details. The FBI raided the home of John Bolton who was a former National Security Advisor for the first Trump administration. (not directly part of the NSA and definitely not the director of the NSA). Bolton has become a vocal critic of Trump since he was fired in Sept 2019. Trump's DOJ has a track record of prosecuting Trump's vocal critics. eg. Former FBI director James Comey and New York attorney general Letitia James https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Prosecution_of_John_Bolton There has been no legal action taken against current NSA director General Joshua M. Rudd or his recent predecessor, William J. Hartman | |
| ▲ | wildzzz 36 minutes ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | Anna Paulina Luna is the only one claiming that the CIA raided the office of the DNI. No other trustworthy sources are reporting this and there's been no independent verification. Anna Paulina Luna is a lunatic who says outlandish things with no regards to truth. | |
| ▲ | NordStreamYacht an hour ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | The DNI, not the NSA. | |
| ▲ | greesil an hour ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | Because nobody reputable reported on it? | | |
| ▲ | foobar1726 an hour ago | parent [-] | | Reputable reporters know that publishing those stories leads to break-in burglaries where everyone is killed and nothing is stolen. |
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| ▲ | dabadabad00 an hour ago | parent | prev [-] | | > Who runs this country? American Thought Control. Crazy crackpot schizos aren’t the only ones listening to the voices in their heads. |
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| ▲ | Computer0 an hour ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| I'm guessing they decided they don't like the guy anymore? The CIA is very corrupt as an institution and things like this run rampant. Billions of dollars go unaccounted for a year at the CIA. |
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| ▲ | contingencies an hour ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| CIA: Corruption Institute of America |
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| ▲ | paradoxyl 10 minutes ago | parent [-] | | Its nickname since the 1970s has been Criminals in Action, when they were smuggling heroin out of the Golden Triangle to fund covert actions during the Vietnam War. |
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| ▲ | JumpCrisscross an hour ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| Huh. I’m actually glad to see the IC fragmenting like this. |
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| ▲ | chatmasta an hour ago | parent [-] | | Is it fragmenting? The FBI has always been in charge of investigating other agencies. The article even notes that this particular investigation was initiated when the CIA director made a referral to the FBI. | | |
| ▲ | JumpCrisscross 44 minutes ago | parent [-] | | > article even notes that this particular investigation was initiated when the CIA director made a referral to the FBI Fair enough. |
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| ▲ | simpaticoder 2 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| So what is that, like 10 gold bars? EDIT: it's 240. but still, they were worth a lot less not that long ago... |
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| ▲ | mlmonkey 2 hours ago | parent | prev [-] |
| Gold is the "bitcoin" of yesterday, in the sense that it is untraceable, anonymous and yet high value enough to be worth it. And it can be made to disappear in a hurry, if you have to: https://www.npr.org/sections/krulwich/2011/10/03/140815154/d... |
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| ▲ | ozgrakkurt an hour ago | parent [-] | | None of those points match bitcoin. What you are describing is more like tornado cash or similar stuff which are really really banned when interfacing with banks or similar institutions. |
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