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realo 4 hours ago

200$ per month per seat is nothing .

A single 3D CAD license pack for the guys in our R&D group costs multiple thousands of dollars per seat, per month.

It's about time software seats get some love too.

smokel 3 hours ago | parent | next [-]

AutoCAD is $175 per user per month [1].

[1] https://www.autodesk.com/products/autocad/buy

bigbuppo 3 hours ago | parent | next [-]

AutoCAD is still the budget-friendly CAD program it has always been. You don't build big boats in AutoCAD.

rrr_oh_man 3 hours ago | parent | next [-]

Winch Design [0], which have built some of the world's largest superyachts [1], seem to be using AutoCad. [2] Afaik it's also the same with Lürssen (but don't quote me on that)

[0] https://winchdesign.com/ [1] https://www.superyachts.com/directory/1516/winch-design/flee... [2] https://www.autodesk.com/design-make/articles/naval-architec...

so_it_be 3 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Except LLM's even with Vision are still useless at AutoCAD let alone Revit (please dont quote SCAD LLM's at me, useless). Knowledge based approaches still win.

I might agree "AutoCAD" is the current level LLM's are at, but wait until your design departments discovers "Revit", its another ballpark (in wasted cots, engineers on site still get "clashes").

Revit costs are high, and the end results are marginally better - but local LLM's tokens are cheaper 24/7 at "AutoCAD" level - "Revit" level tokens will make Ubers CTO/COO weep harder than they already do. While producing results no better than "Revit" does (engineers still face "clashes").

goolz 3 minutes ago | parent [-]

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Our_Benefactors 2 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

As someone completely outside the 3D design world who always thought of AutoCAD as the gold standard - really? What program would be used instead? Please enlighten me.

Hasz 2 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

Cadence and Ansys have entered the chat. A bunch of other highly-specialized engineering software has entered the chat. Licenses are on the order of 10-100k/seat.

For a pretty funny comment about pricing.

https://www.reddit.com/r/chipdesign/comments/1ajrli2/cadence...

chatmasta 3 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Yeah, it’s nothing, and it’s also not the cost that enterprises are paying. As the article states, the price is $20 per seat per month, PLUS per-token API usage. Enterprises are paying consumption billing, not fixed rate oversubscribed “all you can eat per seat.”

avree 3 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

CATIA licenses which are the most expensive I've seen are roughly $600/month per user. Where are you seeing "thousands of dollars per seat"?

mountainriver 2 hours ago | parent | next [-]

CATIA with plugins can go up to 100k a year. That’s what we currently pay

Ardren an hour ago | parent [-]

100k per seat? That's crazy. How do you even hire or train employees with software that expensive?

numpad0 18 minutes ago | parent [-]

One guy retire and a college graduate goes in.

AlotOfReading 3 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

CFD might reasonably be considered part of CAD and something like ansys costs about as much as catia. Still only doubles it though.

dnnddidiej 2 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Sure. Is CAD going to be used by every working human?

krupan 2 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

But when previously your software developer tools were free, that's a huge increase

esafak 3 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

How many guys is that? Every single white collar worker is in the AI ICP (customer profile).

edit: typo

smt88 3 hours ago | parent [-]

white collar*, not color

What does ICP mean?

simonw 3 hours ago | parent | next [-]

Insane Clown Posse, though given the context here probably Ideal Customer Profile.

everdrive 3 hours ago | parent [-]

The similarities are quite stunning, though, as I'm sure both sets of ICPs have no idea how LLMs work.

KyleTheDev 2 hours ago | parent [-]

Now hold on there, let's not cast doubt on ICP. I'm sure they'll surprise us, as they always have.

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