For coding you always want to go with the best model in the category, not something that would be the best model if we went 1 year back which GLM 5.1 is, and I'm saying that as a big fan of GLM cause I run a translation site where GLM is good enough for the price.

Most of the money right now is in coding. Openai and Anthropic just have to be 6 months ahead of SOTA open source models and they'll capture most of the enterprise and dev market

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binary0010 4 hours ago | parent | next [-]

Yes I'm an engineer (20 years most in games/graphics industry) and only use it for code. I've been using glm 5.1 this week a lot. I went in expecting another "decent" but not really "up to standard" open source model.

I highly doubt I'll ever use Claude again.

I think you are wrong about Claude being any significant level better

	▲	cassianoleal 3 hours ago \| parent [-]
		I've been mostly coding with GLM-5.1 as well and I agree with you. DeepSeek V4 Flash is another very good surprise. Incredibly cheap, fast and effective.

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odie5533 2 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

If I generate code with Claude, ChatGPT, and GLM 5.1, I can't say which model is which reliably. I exclusively use Claude more out of superstition than reason.

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eikenberry an hour ago | parent | prev | next [-]

> For coding you always want to go with the best model in the category [..]

And this is why many companies go out of business. You always want the best bang for your buck, sometimes this is the "best model" and sometimes it is not.

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kgwgk 4 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

For coding like for everything else in life cost is a factor.

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mesmertech 3 hours ago | parent [-]

Cost for the value delivered. Like if you offered the current SOTA open source models at $0.1/M, I still think I'd be using Opus or 5.5 at $30/M. Or say GPT 5 which was released Aug 25, I don't think I'd use it for coding for even $0.1. I'd def find other uses for it(translations, agentic workflows, prompt guards etc), but for coding I don't think I'd ever completely switch to a SOTA open model

Unless ofc there was an actual speed difference, only reason I'd be willing to go with a worse model couple of percent worse than current best model is if the speed was at least 5x higher. Looking forward to kimi k2.6 offered publicly by Cerebras

	▲	kgwgk 3 hours ago \| parent [-]
		> I still think I'd be using That's fine. Other people may not want to pay 300x more and will rather make do with last year's SOTA. > For coding you always want to go with the best model Maybe you meant "For coding I always want to go with the best model"?

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Andrex 2 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

> For coding you always want to go with the best model in the category

Will this always be true? There will never be an event horizon/point of diminishing returns where something not-bleeding-edge is "good enough" for 51%+ of users?

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blackjack_ 2 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

This is a silly take. There is a line of "good enough" for most coding (most CRUD apps and APIs are nothing special), and once we are past that, nobody will care about having the "newest, best" model except extreme outliers. And this base "good enough" model will become an ultra cheap commodity as we already see with GLM, deepseek, etc.

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dogleash 2 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

> For XXX you always want to go with XXX, not XXX

Oh, hey, I recognize you. Thank you for the very forward and thorough orbital sander recommendation at Home Depot. That's exactly what I wanted to deal with on my holiday weekend. You just know so much about this and the rest of us are simple passersbys.

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EGreg 4 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

Most work is not coding.

And also, people have it wrong… their models are not the main problem anymore. It’s the RAG

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tomrod 2 hours ago | parent | next [-]

Would love to hear more about your thought about the RAG.

	▲	simonw 2 hours ago \| parent [-]
		I think RAG is a mostly outdated concept now, it's been subsumed by the idea of a "agent harness" which is exactly what Claude Code and Claude Cowork and OpenAI Codex and Claude.ai and ChatGPT themselves have now become. An agent harness with access to a good search tool is a much more interesting thing than 2024-era RAG systems.

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obsidianbases1 4 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

Depending on RAG is a workflow problem, not an AI problem