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Aurornis 9 hours ago

> Hard-working founders should be able to cash out, but there has to be a better system than this one. Succession, maybe.

The large PE buyouts that came from the ridiculous ZIRP period could deliver better financial stability than handing the business down.

I know two families with businesses that attracted huge PE offers in the past few years. One of them took the buyout and the family members slowly left their jobs at the company because they effectively been early retired by their buyout.

Now the kids are looking at new businesses to buy and start for themselves with this new financial freedom that has come to the family. One of their considerations is starting another business in or around their old line of work that was sold off. They have to wait until the contractual non-compete expires, but if the PE owners are really making both the employees and customers miserable then it becomes a golden opportunity for experienced operators to come in and run a good business in the vacuum. Even many of the old employees have expressed a desire to join.

The bad PE phenomenon buyout is annoying, but businesses that become miserable for the customers and employees are not stable long-term businesses. When they decline because competitors show up to do a better job and retain better talent, it becomes a transfer of money from the lenders to the old owners and an annoying churn in the local business scene. As we see more of these failures, the willingness of banks to lend for these buyouts will go down.

bombcar 8 hours ago | parent | next [-]

I knew of a family-run hoagie shop that sold to "investors" (not sure if it was PE, probably was) three times, each time they ran it to shit amazingly quickly, and they were able to buy it back for a song and fix the damage.

jandrewrogers 6 hours ago | parent | next [-]

This is surprisingly common. I know a few people that recycle their businesses through PE, getting a payout each time.

The trick is that the business owner has a good relationship with his customers. After the PE investors run it into the ground, they can credibly reach out to customers directly, assure them that the adults are back in charge, and basically be a hero to the old customers who hate what the business became.

Aurornis 7 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

Yep! These situations are annoying for the customers, but an amazing opportunity for people trying to run good businesses. Let the bad operators run a company into the ground and then buy the pieces at an amazing discount.

trevithick 8 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

Companies need to brand as "Not owned by PE" the same way health food has prominent labels on the packaging.

jpb0104 6 hours ago | parent [-]

Agree. I think that's what "Owner Operated" used to mean. Would be interesting to have a certification for these businesses. I've also started collecting related links:

https://privateequityvet.org/vet-list/ https://whoownsmydentists.com/ https://ledger.worseonpurpose.com/