| ▲ | alexfoo 2 hours ago |
| I'm waiting for 3 DACs and a few other bits to arrive today to move closer to 10G networking at home. Moving house soon and the new place will have 2.5Gbps FTTP (both up and down) so I wanted to be prepared for that. Given my existing broadband is only 500/75Mbps FTTP I was fine with a 1GbE internal network and Wifi-6 meshing. I could have planned to move to 2.5GbE but it may have been a bottleneck at some point, so may as well push straight on to 10G. I have a USW-Aggregation with 8 SFP+ ports arriving today too. Just have to install Intel X520-DA2 cards in two of my servers (Proxmox host and a general Linux server), and the NAS also has a 10G SFP+ port, and then connect it all up. Most of it second hand from eBay for half the usual retail price. |
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| ▲ | lostlogin 2 hours ago | parent | next [-] |
| Nice work, that agg switch is excelllwnt. I went with some cheap eBay cards and slotted them into a synology and PC. They work great and have for years. https://www.ebay.com/itm/384094168784?_skw=connectx+mellanox... |
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| ▲ | vermilingua an hour ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| I really have to wonder what can you use 10G for? I have 500M down from my ISP, and it is faster than I can imagine ever needing, unless I get into data-hoarding 8k movies. |
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| ▲ | mwpmaybe a minute ago | parent | next [-] | | My homelab has a 10G fabric (switched) for NFS, iSCSI, NVMe-OF, etc. and a 25G fabric (a mix of back-to-back and switched) for clustering (Ceph, DRDB, ZFS replication, migrating VMs). I spun up some iSCSI-backed SQL Server a few months ago and 10G couldn't keep up with the workload, so I dropped in a pair of 100G cards with iSER (iSCSI Extensions for RDMA) support for that particular use-case. | |
| ▲ | alexfoo 36 minutes ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | True, I don't really feel limited by my existing 500Mbps down, but knowing I'll be having 2500Mbps up/down soon means I want to have the infra to handle it. Basing things on 2.5GbE would certainly have been cheaper but some things don't support it (they either do 1GbE or 10G SFP+) so settling on 10G where possible made more sense to me. My future ISP also has a 5Gbps up/down option, but even I can't justify that right now. My wife and kid just want their phones/laptops to work, and to be able to stream stuff to watch, they don't care about the underlying speed. Having a faster network may make some of my work related things run a bit quicker. A few times a day I'll need to pull something big down (either an ISO or a bunch of docker images) and that can take up to 2 minutes with 500Mbps down. Having those take a fifth of that time will make it seem less of a roadblock to doing work. 2 minutes meant I went and got a cup of coffee and often got more distracted, 30 seconds should keep me at my desk and focused on what I was doing. That's not a big enough reason to justify it on its own obviously. I also want to do offsite backups with/for various family members, so something better than 75Mbps up is going to be a huge boost. Getting 1Gbps+ out will be huge (assuming whatever is at the other end can support that). I don't do any kind of data hoarding, I think I've got something under 4TB of data that I actually care about, and most of that are family photos/videos. Deep down it's mostly because I'm a networking geek so it's fun to play with some new kit and make blinkenlights. | |
| ▲ | zamadatix 34 minutes ago | parent | prev [-] | | It's less "what new thing can you do" and more "what things involve noticeably waiting, how long is the waiting, and what else is impacted". E.g. updating a game on Steam practically takes slightly under half the time for me (1.2 Gbps actual rate) and has absolutely 0 impact to any other traffic in the house. If it was 10x the price to get 10x the bandwidth I wouldn't bother but it was actually about the same as my old cable modem plan. |
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| ▲ | Filligree 2 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| How many PCIe lanes are you allocating? The card is obviously 16-lane, but it also has two ports; 40Gb total. In a server that’s fine, but if you want 10G in a desktop you’ll have a problem. I’m probably not telling you anything new. NICs using newer PCI generations are rare as hen’s teeth. It should be possible to do this with four lanes, but isn’t… Unless you find a 25G dual-port card, in which case the single lane my secondary slots hand out does at least suffice for 10G one way. |
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| ▲ | zamadatix an hour ago | parent | next [-] | | PCIe is given for a full duplex connection so 2x10G is still just 20G instead of 40G. For PCIe 2.0 x8 connection should get you full bandwidth on both ports simultaneously while x4 will fall just short for simultaneously usage (but still higher than 1 port). Funnily enough, if you want a dirt cheap PCIe 3.0 based card the MCX353A-QCBT and MCX354A-QCBT give 1/2 ports of 40G QSFP+ and are dirt cheap. They support QSFP+ to SFP+ adapters, so you can plug a 10G SFP+ into the QSFP+ port, but they don't support 4x10G breakout unfortunately. | |
| ▲ | alexfoo an hour ago | parent | prev [-] | | I'm only planning on using one of the SFP+ ports on each of the cards, the dual port cards were just more common and cheaper on eBay. The specs say they require PCIe v2.1 x8 lane. My Proxmox server is quite old and has a Gigabyte GA-X79-UP4 mobo and has loads of spare PCI slots. One slot is taken up by a generic graphics card as the Mobo has no on-board graphics. (I think I went for this mobo because of the number of SATA ports, but it was over 10 years ago so not entirely sure.) My general Linux server is newer and has an ASUS Prime H610M-A D4 mobo. Only two PCI slots (not used at the moment) and so the Intel X540-DA2 will use up the PCIe 4.0 x16 slot leaving just a PCIe 3.0 x1 slot. But that's fine as this machine is just a CPU (i7-13700), 64GB RAM and a 2TB NVMe. Sticking a good graphics card in it for GPU related fun had been on my list for years but I never got around to it, now the prices are just insane so I'll ignore that for now or something second hand falls into my lap. |
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| ▲ | bombcar an hour ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| I did similar with the Mikrotik CRS305-1G-4S+IN and some surplus eBay gear. The nice thing is the NAS and my MacBook dock both have 10G and are connected - and it’s noticeable. |
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| ▲ | alexfoo 17 minutes ago | parent [-] | | I had a big debate with myself whether to go Mikrotik or Unifi. Being EU based I really wanted to go Mikrotik but ended up with Unifi as I'd had more experience of it when helping out friends/neighbours. Maybe my "last house" (i.e. the one we'll get to see us through to retirement and beyond) will be Mikrotik based. By then I'll probably want as little computing stuff as possible and will just sit in a comfy chair doing crosswords and sudoku with a pencil. |
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| ▲ | justsomehnguy an hour ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| > Most of it second hand from eBay for half the usual retail price. You were scammed. X520 is old enough to drive a car, the shop should pay you to get it off their hands. |
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| ▲ | alexfoo an hour ago | parent [-] | | Ha. I meant the rest of the equipment (USW-Aggregation, Unifi Pro Max 16, UNAS Pro, Unifi Express 7) was somewhere around half retail price. I think I paid ~$15 for each X520-DA2 including postage. |
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| ▲ | whalesalad an hour ago | parent | prev [-] |
| I just went through the same process over the last few months. I had a USW agg and ran out of ports so now I have the big dog 24-port version. Mainly wanted L3 routing capability but it’s nice having more ports to lagg connections. |
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| ▲ | alexfoo 28 minutes ago | parent [-] | | The limiting factor for me is that I'm renting so I can't put my own cabling in to the property. And with the new place there's no existing cabling, nor any conduits to run anything in, and chasing things into the walls/etc is going to be prohibited by the landlord or just too expensive if I'm only in this place for a year or two. The spools of bend insensitive fibre are pretty cheap and very discreet so I'll probably have a couple of those running along skirting boards/etc in order to connect disparate areas of the house. (The ONT is ~15m away from where the majority of the equipment will live, that's the main bit I have to bridge.) |
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