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hackyhacky 14 days ago

> you can’t say some politician filled a country with immigrants from the third world.

You can absolutely say that, if it's true. As it stands, I don't know of country "filled with immigrants", so it's possible your edits are getting revoked for being incendiary hyperbole.

I'm also not aware of any politician described as racist in the first paragraph of their article. Can you indicate who you have in mind?

More realistically, controversies about racism and immigration are likely to be mentioned in a section of the given article, not in the first paragraph. That strikes me as a very fair way to handle it, which conveniently disarms accusations of bias against Wikipedia.

portmanteur 14 days ago | parent | next [-]

“Filled with immigrants” will always be a subjective term. Does it need to be 100% immigrants to count as “filled”? 50%? 25%?

Canadian residents, for example, as of 2021 [1], were 23% foreign-born, and further 2.5% non-permanent residents. In the five year period from 2016 to 2021, the number of foreign-born Canadians increased by 18% alone, which to me is significant growth. The number of non-permanent residents doubled from 2016 to 2021, and tripled again by July 2024 [2]. The share of third-generation+ Canadians, defined as those born in Canada to parents born in Canada, was 56% in 2021 [1]. When the 2026 census data is released next year, it’s estimated that number could be as low as 52%.

[1] https://www12.statcan.gc.ca/census-recensement/2021/as-sa/fo... [2] https://www150.statcan.gc.ca/n1/pub/91-215-x/91-215-x2024001...

hackyhacky 14 days ago | parent | next [-]

> “Filled with immigrants” will always be a subjective term.

An encyclopedia is no place for subjectivity. [1]

> Canadian residents,

I don't care. I'm not here to discuss immigration. We're talking about Wikipedia and its standards. You can like immigration or be against it, but it's not Wikipedia's job to allow you to express your opinion.

[1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Neutral_point_of_vie...

hsuduebc2 14 days ago | parent | next [-]

Absolutely. I usually see this type of posts on twitter where people are simply mad that they can't shit on imigrants like that in there.

Pay08 14 days ago | parent | prev [-]

Language as a whole is subjective.

Forgeties79 13 days ago | parent | next [-]

This feels rather hand wavy and reductive. The bar isn’t “Wikipedia is completely unbiased and objective” - that’s a fool’s errand, it can’t be done. But we still strive to account for biases and reach for objectivity as best we can, and there are situations where language (with its subjectivity taken into due consideration) and claims clearly are not an attempt at that.

hackyhacky 13 days ago | parent [-]

Correct. All language is subjective, but not all language is equally subjective.

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Forgeties79 14 days ago | parent | prev [-]

This just reads to me like you have an ax to grind and are mad Wikipedia won’t give you the surface for it.

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