I agree with you, as a longtime free speech believe.

but... I would also like to keep my kids from seeing the very worst of the internet before they're ready to handle it. I tried using a PiHole but Firefox DNS-over-HTTPS nullifies that now. It's not realistic for me to be watching over their shoulders 24/7; what can I do to keep them away from stuff 99% of people agree isn't for children to see, without something like this?

▲ Bender an hour ago | parent | next [-]

Unbound DNS if compiled with --with-libnghttp2 can listen for DoH and your Unbound/Pihole can forward to any destination you desire. This is what it looks like on my firewall:

    # https://doh-int.mydomain.net/dns-query
        interface: [ip of lan port]@443
        interface: [ip of wifi port]@443
        https-port: 443
        http-max-streams: 220
        tls-service-key: "/etc/unbound/keys.d/unbound_server.key"
        tls-service-pem: "/etc/unbound/keys.d/unbound_server.pem"

Null routing the open DoH resolvers is just having a startup script that reads a list of all their IP addresses and

    ip route add blackhole "${IP}" 2>/dev/null

People will argue that DoH can run on anything which is true but all the major resolvers will always use dedicated IP addresses as to not risk blocking CDN end points.

If the childs account is not able to gain admin privs then their ability to change settings can be disabled.

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anigbrowl an hour ago | parent [-]

99% of people have no idea what this means, but they do understand voting.

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Bender 43 minutes ago | parent [-]

Yup I was just replying to the .001% that was discussing it. Please do reach out to your congress people.

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anigbrowl 24 minutes ago | parent [-]

OK but we're talking about a general social problem (parents understandably don't want their kids corupte dby adult stuff, and some adult services vendors are unscrupulous but the internet makes it easy for them to hide.

I personally think this current version of the legislation is a good compromise. Tech workarounds are fine for the few of us that understand the relevant technology (though I have never bothered to compile DNS in my life and have no plans to do so in the future), but they are simply not practical for most people. Every time I hear someone suggesting this sort of thing I find myself tempted to say 'why worry about legislation? If you don't like what it mandates you can just write your own operating system.'

Of course this would not be helpful because writing your own OS is extremely hard beyond classroom/toy examples. And likewise, tech workarounds and even parental controls are hard for most consumers - partly by design. I have an xbox console and have been trying to figure out why it keeps freezing on certain apps for months now. I suspect a telemetry problem but it's just a guess, there isn't really any way to look at logs so it's a trial and error process because most consumer hardware/application vendors want their products to be black boxes.

	▲	shevy-java 3 minutes ago \| parent [-]
		> I personally think this current version of the legislation is a good compromise. I don't think it is a good compromise. It seems to cover the wrong use cases. My use cases have nothing to do with children on any level. Why would I want to submit to government restrictions? That makes zero sense. It's as if the right-to-repair-movement would suddenly be undermined by a lobbyist advocating how restrictions are great. Or Jackie Chan suddenly praising the sinomarxist mono-party.

▲ grim_io an hour ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Well, you can't.

Like no past generation could stop their kids.

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JumpCrisscross an hour ago | parent | next [-]

> no past generation could stop their kids

Past generations absolutely protected their kids from cigarettes and alcohol. A gate doesn’t have to be 100% effective to have net benefits.

	▲	kelseyfrog 16 minutes ago \| parent [-]
		If one kid is able to bypass the system it means it's zero percent effective. Same thing with alcohol, and cigarettes. Especially if it means I have to show my ID to buy those things.

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dylan604 an hour ago | parent | prev [-]

Just like no past generation had so much information so readily available. One quick quip can always be rebutted by another quick quip, but it doesn't really move the conversation along in any meaningful manner.

▲ shevy-java 5 minutes ago | parent | prev | next [-]

You describe a use case for you. That's fine.

Here we talk about use cases for EVERYONE. I don't see how your use case is fine for me, because I personally do not agree with it on any level at all whatsoever. You believe in restriction. I don't. There is no common ground here.

> It's not realistic for me to be watching over their shoulders 24/7

Is this your job? At which age will you stop monitoring them?

> what can I do to keep them away from stuff 99% of people agree isn't for children to see

99%? Where do you get those numbers from?

Besides, what stuff anyway? Even then the issue isn't about your kids. It is about laws for EVERYONE.

▲ fhn 28 minutes ago | parent | prev | next [-]

You but them smartphones, tables, laptops, and internet access and then complain there is too much access?

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ObscureScience 22 minutes ago | parent [-]

Yeah, why should it not be desireble to give them access to the good properties of such devices and the internet?

	▲	pluralmonad 6 minutes ago \| parent [-]
		What are the good properties that justify giving kids smart phones?

▲ catlikesshrimp an hour ago | parent | prev | next [-]

If your kids are in the smart 1% who can bypass your authority, they will. Be proud. For the rest, we don't need a police atate

▲ malicka an hour ago | parent | prev | next [-]

You could block the default DoH services for Firefox, I reckon.

▲ cyberax an hour ago | parent | prev [-]

> what can I do to keep them away from stuff 99% of people agree isn't for children to see, without something like this?

Nothing. VPNs exist (including free ones), some of classmates will have unlocked devices, etc.

Next question?

	▲	Bender 32 minutes ago \| parent \| next [-]
		Teens for sure bypass all restrictions. Teens are young adults. My suggestions are for small children. Once a small child evolves and adapts to their surroundings, they too will one day bypass things. Reward them when they do this, it means they're smart and you did a good job.
	▲	fhn 27 minutes ago \| parent \| prev [-]
		block all VPNs?