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erelong 2 hours ago

I only read a summary but it sounds like the predicted writing of tautologies sprinkled with anti-Catholic jabs:

-anti-war passages and attacks Catholic just war theory

-attacks colonialism without explaining why Christians created colonies

-brings up historical attitudes towards slavery to freshly try to make Catholcism look bad

Hoping more people wake up to how opposed these people are to Catholic beliefs and practices

KaiserPro an hour ago | parent | next [-]

I do find this an interesting take.

I will skip the "just war" theory, because I simply don't know enough to make a cogent argument

But

> attacks colonialism without explaining why Christians created colonies

Speaking as an english person with a passing interest in colonialism, this is an _interesting_ take.

Which colonies are you talking about? because the ones in America and Ireland were explicitly not catholic. More complex still some of them were super anti-pope, and a lot were just C-of-E catholic but sans pope

Could you explain more about your viewpoint?

SSLy 41 minutes ago | parent [-]

ig it's about French and Belgians in Africa, and Spanish in America.

throw4847285 an hour ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Look who is more Catholic than the Pope.

defrost an hour ago | parent | prev | next [-]

If you share your prompt and model that created your summary then HN users can make their own hot take summary sub summaries.

erelong an hour ago | parent [-]

ehhh, the model doesn't matter as much, the summary appears to be accurate (you can ctrl+f for keywords like "slavery", then see what's being said on the subject)

so for example with "Just War" we see this passage:

> it is important to reaffirm that the “just war” theory, which has all too often been used to justify any kind of war, is now outdated.

This would clearly be thought to be an error from a Catholic viewpoint, because the right to wage "justified war" comes from the individual right to self-defense, as applied to a collective group of people legitimately defending against aggression (maybe lots of people here for example would argue Ukraine is legitimately justified in waging defensive war against Russia, for example).

Hence while it is good to promote peaceful resolutions of conflict, the document goes too far in condemning legitimate self-defense.

(So while the whole long document likely says correct things about AI and the dignity of work, it also adds in things like the above that Catholics would clearly reject. Typically Catholics would accept what a pope is writing so if you're getting someone who claims to be pope teaching erroneously, this points to a bigger problem for Catholics.)

moron4hire 40 minutes ago | parent | prev [-]

Who, in your mind, are "these people?" Please, don't go back and check the authorship of the document before replying. I'm extremely curious to see what you are thinking.

erelong 25 minutes ago | parent [-]

While there's a singular author ("Leo"), these writings are often created in consultation with other people:

> Francis, for example, did not write Laudato si’ entirely on his own. The first draft was prepared by the Pontifical Council for Justice and Peace, with input from other Church leaders. The document was then revised and reviewed by the Vatican’s Secretariat of State and the Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith.

But I meant mostly those who share "Leo's" errors and write like him ("these people [like "Leo"])