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jimkleiber an hour ago

I think the biggest question the US needs to ask itself is do we want to be normal like most countries or better?

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petcat an hour ago | parent [-]

USA has been far better for over 100 years. But that had to end at some point. So now we're seeing it end.

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epistasis an hour ago | parent | next [-]

It did not "have" to end, it's merely a political choice by one political faction being forced upon the entire nation.

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behringer a few seconds ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Far better than who?

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platevoltage 26 minutes ago | parent | prev | next [-]

DO you have a good reason why?

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petcat 16 minutes ago | parent [-]

Because the industrialization of America is over, and has been for decades. USA doesn't need low-wage, immigrant workers anymore. The railroads have already been built, the fields have been plowed, and now that's all done by big automated machines. Everything that cheap workers used to do that was valuable is now automated.

	▲	striking 7 minutes ago \| parent \| next [-]
		Who does the farming? Who does the cleaning? Who builds the buildings? Who are the line cooks? That should be obvious. But it should be just as obvious that there are plenty of immigrants who are also necessary because they bring new ideas, their education, their incredible work ethic, to fill in the gaps that the US clearly has. There is one thing that unites all of us (and I do mean us, as I am one of them). We all dream of a society where our hard work can become prosperity for ourselves and for everyone else, a plot of fertile soil that is worth sowing. We all come here with a dream. And I personally don't mind so much that I'm uplifting people that don't agree with my existence. I just wish that they could stay out of our way so we could all benefit.
	▲	dangus 4 minutes ago \| parent \| prev [-]
		List of low-wage immigrant workers: Melania Trump Boris Epshteyn Elaine Chao Elon Musk Ted Cruz Vivek Ramaswamy Bobby Jindal Nikki Haley David Sacks Sriram Krishnan Jensen Huang Satya Nadella

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huxley an hour ago | parent | prev [-]

Nah, there was just more economic activity to draw people in. By every other measure it’s been more hostile than average.

But you are right that it is ending, just wrong about what: it’s the high economic activity that attracted people which is disappearing thanks to the same people that hate migrants.

	▲	woodruffw an hour ago \| parent [-]
		> By every other measure it’s been more hostile than average. I'm not sure there's a "just" here: compared to peer countries, the US is either middle-of-the-pack[1] or significantly more accepting of immigrants[2] depending on which number you pick. (This isn't to somehow imply that the US isn't hostile to its immigrants, because it is. But the question is whether it's more hostile.) [1]: https://www.visualcapitalist.com/charted-the-share-of-foreig... [2]: https://www.oecd.org/en/data/indicators/stocks-of-foreign-bo...