| ▲ | US tech firms share Dutch regulator officials' names with Senate(dutchnews.nl) |
| 43 points by zqna an hour ago | 14 comments |
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| ▲ | petcat 38 minutes ago | parent | next [-] |
| > However, stopping working with Microsoft and other US tech companies is not an option in the short term, he told the magazine. > Van der Burg is currently grappling with the issue of Solvinity, a Dutch cloud service provider which is widely used by government departments including the Digid identity system, and which is on the verge of being sold to a US company. > The Dutch tax office is also currently switching to Microsoft systems, despite MPs’ concerns. They all talk about the importance of European digital sovereignty and then continue to do the exact opposite behind the scenes. |
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| ▲ | microtonal 31 minutes ago | parent | next [-] | | They all talk about the importance of European digital sovereignty and then continue to do the exact opposite behind the scenes. To be honest and I say this as a Dutch person, this is typical Dutch (government). Basically two rules in Dutch politics: (1) always choose the option that pleases the US the most; (2) always postpone solving issues to the latest possible moment (US dependence, nitrogen deposition, childcare benefits scandal, gas-induced earthquakes). France, Germany, etc. are much better examples when it comes to sovereignty. As an aside the parliament wants to stop the Solvinity acquisition or stop renewing the contract with Solvinity. But the VVD (one of the parties in government) is always going to choose what is best for big business (the party is one big revolving door) or the US. | | |
| ▲ | dgellow a minute ago | parent | next [-] | | > always postpone solving issues to the latest possible moment Germany has the exact same issue | |
| ▲ | miohtama 13 minutes ago | parent | prev [-] | | It's not only Dutch. Instead of building sovereignity, the EU thought they could regulate their way and force everyone to bend the knee because of their share as a trading partner. This started 20 years ago. However what has happened is that the EU's soft power is crumbling, but the politicians have hard to grasp with the reality they could somehow dictate things globally. AI will only further accelerate this. Only way to have control is to have domestic actors you can push around. | | |
| ▲ | jorvi 4 minutes ago | parent [-] | | > However what has happened is that the EU's soft power is crumbling Uh, no. The US soft power is turning to dust whilst the EU is out there building the new free (trade) world, with itself as the biggest lynchpin. What has happened the past 20 (more like 40) years is that most EU countries cut spending on their militaries to the bone, because big brother USA would take care of it anyway. Now that we are returning to a multi-polar world, suddenly the EU is left scrambling for hard power that it doesn't have. That's why they can't play hardball when the US does a new ridiculous thing, because they simply lack the hard power to back up Ukraine. The US is sorely going to regret their antics though. Long term, the EU is going to switch to their own stacks, both for military but also things like cloud and other tech. It's thousands of billions of $ the US economy will be missing out on. And voting in a Democratic president, senate and house is not gonna change a thing about it, because the US has proven itself to be fundamentally unreliable, if not an outright danger. |
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| ▲ | pjc50 34 minutes ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | Rather like pre 2022 Russia, governments get warnings that something bad is going to happen that it would be expensive to prepare for, and put off preparing because you don't get political rewards for that. | |
| ▲ | softwaredoug 16 minutes ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | Ironically GOP talks about European sovereignty over their own defense, but economically want to treat them like a vassal | | | |
| ▲ | spockz 28 minutes ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | There are many different tracks underway in government in different branches. Completely vetoing everything to use Microsoft is a difficult decision as it also stops a lot of features that depend on it, or were made to depend on it, such as updating tax codes. Therefore it is a risk/benefit assessment rather than outright lying. (The latter also happens obviously but just wanted to state that reality is more gray than black and white.) | |
| ▲ | throwaw12 32 minutes ago | parent | prev [-] | | Because there is no punishment for lying in politics. Look at the Trump, connected to p*dos, instead of stopping wars, started a war, betrayed MAGA, but still no action taken against him, because there is no legal action for lying to become a politican |
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| ▲ | Eridrus 15 minutes ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| I don't know what the US thinks it will gain by targeting civil servants. They are not the ones with the power to decide what happens, and retaliation would mean more anti-US people selecting themselves into these projects. |
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| ▲ | emilfihlman 12 minutes ago | parent | next [-] | | >They are not the ones with the power to decide what happens This is a very naive interpretation. Bureaucrats have MASSIVE amount of power and control, and in actuality decide many things and how the law is written. | |
| ▲ | miohtama 8 minutes ago | parent | prev [-] | | These civil servants are effectively trying to bypass the US court. These civil servants yield considerable power what comes to the censorship, and the Whitehouse really really hates the idea that the EU can decide, not them, what is allowed. This will send a message that the US stands behind its companies and is not push around. If you want to push non-domestic enforcement, you need to be willing to stand behind the principles and be publicly ready to defend the censorship rulings you set forward. |
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| ▲ | emilfihlman 10 minutes ago | parent | prev [-] |
| Civil servant's info is public information (at least in Finland it is). It's good that bureaucrats can't hide behind bureaucracy. |
