| ▲ | mmooss an hour ago | ||||||||||||||||||||||
> So much North American rhetoric is focused on hatred of the cyclist My impression is that only people in the bicycling social world believe that. It seems like a victim mentality that they reinforce by repeating it to each other. It's always possible I just haven't seen it, but localities around the country are building bicycling infrastructure, which doesn't correspond to hatred. Where do you see it? I hardly ever hear someone expressing hatred of cyclists. People who ride obviously like it. The great majority don't care about it - it has little impact on their lives. In cities, on streets I see people honk at, yell at, and flip off cyclists just like they honk, flip off, and yell at other drivers. IME the cyclists generally 'drive' as well/poorly as the automobile drivers. I do notice that people in spandex racing outfits on road bikes tend to behave with attitude problems toward everyone - pedestrians, non-racing cyclists, cars, etc. They are aggressive and fly by people, often with little margin, at dangerous speeds without warning. It's as if they think they own the road. I was just talking to a bike mechanic I know who brought it up. If people don't like them, it's obvious why. | |||||||||||||||||||||||
| ▲ | rcxdude 6 minutes ago | parent | next [-] | ||||||||||||||||||||||
As a general rule, with this kind of thing, if you're not in a group that's targeted by such comments, you are probably not going to see those comments. Even if the majority don't care, it only takes a small hateful minority to create a lot of hate aimed at a given group. | |||||||||||||||||||||||
| ▲ | impendia an hour ago | parent | prev | next [-] | ||||||||||||||||||||||
Some drivers seem to resent the idea that they should have to share the road, or slow down for anyone. Even if cyclists do everything right, they're still slower than cars, and so will present at least a minor inconvenience for drivers. In Canada the fight has gotten nasty, with governments in Alberta and Ontario putting forward legislation that could remove existing bike lanes. https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/toronto/ontario-ford-bike-lan... https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/edmonton/alberta-government-b... Maybe "hatred" is too strong of a word, but if I were a cyclist in Toronto or Edmonton I'd feel rather victimized. | |||||||||||||||||||||||
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| ▲ | sl_convertible an hour ago | parent | prev | next [-] | ||||||||||||||||||||||
We just had a death on the road, from a driver hitting a cyclist in a group. I'm a life-long cyclists, and I now am somewhat fearful about cycling on the road. I see so many groups that take an entire lane and not even care about the cars behind them - it's easy to understand the frustration of the drivers. It's a knotty problem, I wish we had more bicycle lanes. | |||||||||||||||||||||||
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| ▲ | hoherd an hour ago | parent | prev | next [-] | ||||||||||||||||||||||
I'm sure lots of cyclists have anecdata about that hatred. My personal favorite was somebody in a Santa Clara neighborhood a block from the DMV shouting at me to "get off the f***ing road!" Clearly they didn't read the part of the DMV manual that mentions that bicycles must "not ride on the sidewalk"[1], and missed that cyclists are allowed full use of the lane. I now live in rural suburban Michigan, and even on these rural backroads I have jerks in trucks yelling at me on my e-bike going 20+ mph to "get out of the f***ing way". Maybe those people do not represent the majority, but it feels like they do, and those actions feel threatening when coming from a multi-ton vehicle directed at a 75 pound vehicle. (Fat-bike ebikes are heavy.) It's also odd to experience this on a rural road on a lake shoreline because isn't the countryside supposed to be slow paced? 1. https://www.dmv.ca.gov/portal/handbook/california-driver-han... | |||||||||||||||||||||||
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| ▲ | DangitBobby an hour ago | parent | prev | next [-] | ||||||||||||||||||||||
You clearly haven't spent much time on YouTube, TikTok, Twitter, FaceBook, or really anywhere there is a huge community. Americans fucking HATE cyclists. > The great majority don't care about it My own dad will take any opportunity to actively bitch about perceived annoyances perpetrated by cyclists and opine about how useless bike lanes are expensive and not actually productive because people only use them for exercise. Why don't you try actually bringing up cyclists and bike lanes somewhere, especially in the south, and then you tell me what people think. | |||||||||||||||||||||||
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| ▲ | ervine an hour ago | parent | prev [-] | ||||||||||||||||||||||
None of this has been my experience. | |||||||||||||||||||||||