Why do you need them to provide a coding agent? Just use their model with any off the shelf coding agent. I happen to prefer Pi, but use whatever works for you.

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alyxya 3 hours ago | parent | next [-]

I probably have an unfounded assumption that whatever coding agent they make will work really well with their models, better than external harnesses. I don't have a good sense for how all the model + harness combinations compare, nor any good way to compare them myself, but generally believe model companies train their models to work best with their own harness.

	▲	wolttam 2 hours ago \| parent [-]
		I've noticed that models have gotten less finicky with this over time. Harnesses don't need to be complex to get good coding performance from models, they just need to implement some sane primitives for code exploration and editing.

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hootz 3 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Yeah, I'm using Pi with their models through an OpenCode Go subscription and it works pretty well. 10 bucks and V4-Flash is virtually infinite.

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satvikpendem 2 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

RL with the harness inputs and outputs of users is one of the primary improvers of model performance, a self perpetuating flywheel.

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apitman 2 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

What's the best way to use it with Pi, OpenRouter?

	▲	schaefer 41 minutes ago \| parent \| next [-]
		> What's the best way to use it with Pi, OpenRouter? I can't claim it's "the best"... But the Pi.dev and OpenRouter combo is what I'm doing at home, and I love it. Setup was easy, I can use /model to switch between any of the openrouter models and whatever I'm hosting locally via VLLM.
	▲	lambda 44 minutes ago \| parent \| prev [-]
		I only use local models myself personally. But yeah, OpenRouter would probably be a good option.