| ▲ | pluc 3 hours ago |
| Seriously how is this surprising? We all know AI companies stole troves of data to train their models, why do you think they'll stop? Have they faced consequences for the mass theft of copyrighted data? You can't steal or profit off of that data, but it's fine for them for whatever reason. I guess because they're a force for good in the world and are pushing humanity forward eh? |
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| ▲ | exploderate an hour ago | parent | next [-] |
| That data is not stolen. It's still there. |
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| ▲ | skrebbel 2 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| Everytime something gets posted on HN about a bad or unfair state of affairs, some cynical nihilist posts “doh why r u surprised” and I’m sick and tired of it. These comments aren’t insightful, helpful or thought-provoking. You’re just helping a bad situation stay bad. |
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| ▲ | mikestew 2 hours ago | parent | next [-] | | My only imagined motivation for such posts is, “Look at me, I’m not surprised by this due to my superior intellect, why are you surprised?” “No one is surprised, jackass, it’s just adults having a conversation about the current state of affairs.” Yes, it’s tiring and rarely contributes positively to the conversation. | |
| ▲ | breck an hour ago | parent | prev [-] | | [dead] |
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| ▲ | sixothree an hour ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| > why do you think they'll stop Because the sources are now polluted with AI. That's at least one reason they stop scraping. |
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| ▲ | CivBase 2 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| > You can't steal or profit off of that data, but it's fine for them for whatever reason. The reason is quite simple. When Microsoft steals YOUR work, GDP go up. When YOU steal Microsoft's work, GDP go down. And the people who create and enforce our laws want GDP to go up. To these people morality and rights are a thin guise that can be conveniently discarded when it's invonvenient for them. |
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| ▲ | stronglikedan 2 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| > it's fine for them for whatever reason the reason is crony capitalism. I wish I knew what the fix was |
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| ▲ | stackedinserter 3 hours ago | parent | prev [-] |
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| ▲ | badlibrarian 2 hours ago | parent | next [-] | | I paid tuition. The library bought its books. The theater sold me a ticket. Money changed hands every step, which is the part your analogy skips. | | |
| ▲ | drstewart 2 hours ago | parent [-] | | Where did money change hands when you looked at a random image on DeviantArt and got inspired and made a similar image yourself? | | |
| ▲ | badlibrarian an hour ago | parent [-] | | Most artists considered it a one to one exchange. They appreciated attribution and were flattered to inspire people. Some got gigs. Some got laid. The money flowed to DeviantArt, hosting providers, and ad providers. The artists were okay with this. They were the ones paying. Then DeviantArt built a tool to automate the "make a similar image yourself" part and here we are. It removed all the fun parts: the personal contact, the attribution, the inspiration. Artists realized they unwittingly contributed to the death of not only the community, but the art form they love. Lawsuits pending. |
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| ▲ | analog8374 2 hours ago | parent | prev [-] | | Seriously. I recall a thousand hours of movies. Those memories sit in my head and I pay no royalties | | |
| ▲ | pluc 2 hours ago | parent | next [-] | | Put what you recall on paper, turn it into a screenplay. Let me know how quickly you get sued. | | |
| ▲ | jimmaswell 2 hours ago | parent | next [-] | | Good artists copy, great artists steal. | | | |
| ▲ | IcyWindows 2 hours ago | parent | prev [-] | | One could argue most screenplays are derivative. | | |
| ▲ | badlibrarian an hour ago | parent [-] | | Hollywood has extraordinarily well-defined controls for keeping things legal and everyone in the chain compensated. Plus a separate Oscars category for it. |
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| ▲ | badlibrarian 2 hours ago | parent | prev [-] | | True, they live in your head rent free. But if you produce a derivative work, you have to pay. |
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