| ▲ | impulser_ 4 hours ago |
| "in May 2026, we entered into Cloud Services Agreements with Anthropic PBC (“Anthropic”), an AI research and development public benefit corporation, with respect to access to compute capacity across COLOSSUS and COLOSSUS II. Pursuant to these agreements, the customer has agreed to pay us $1.25 billion per month through May 2029, with capacity ramping in May and June 2026 at a reduced fee" Anthropic is paying them 1.25 billion per month to serve Claude in their data centers. That's more revenue than Starlink. In fact that's their largest revenue stream lol. |
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| ▲ | chvid 41 minutes ago | parent | next [-] |
| As far as I can Google the colossus data centers did cost about 7-10 and 18 B respectively. Renting them out in part at 1.25 B pr month sounds like a very good deal for spacex. |
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| ▲ | kennethrc 37 minutes ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| > COLOSSUS and COLOSSUS II https://www.imdb.com/title/tt0064177 It may be sick, but someone's got a sense of humor over there :) |
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| ▲ | ykl 3 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| At the time of the announcement IIRC the deal was only for Colossus 1. Is Anthropic also leasing Colossus 2 new? At the time the consensus narrative was that SpaceX no longer needed Colossus 1 for Grok and that was why it could be leased to Anthropic while Colossus 2 would handle Grok training and inference. Does Anthropic also leasing Colossus 2 change this? |
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| ▲ | impulser_ 3 hours ago | parent [-] | | They are. This is from their "Chief Compute Officer". https://x.com/nottombrown/status/2057194829986300375 | | |
| ▲ | jprd 2 hours ago | parent [-] | | Right. This compute still being powered by an illegal amount of gas turbines in a residential neighborhood? Claude is eating so much compute, the threat of that power being tuned down by lawsuit (rightfully) is worth the risk to Anthropic in the short-term. Instead of declaring "bubble", I'm just going to say that's so crazy. | | |
| ▲ | ACCount37 2 hours ago | parent | next [-] | | Colossus 1 is in an industrial area, next door to a grid scale natural gas power plant. One that's fully operational. | | | |
| ▲ | gpm 2 hours ago | parent | prev [-] | | Or SpaceX is absorbing the risk should that power be turned off... still morally shitty but not obviously economically so. |
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| ▲ | etempleton 26 minutes ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| The whole AI world really is completely circular spending where every one loses money along the way. The only one really making any money is Nvidia. |
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| ▲ | kurthr 10 minutes ago | parent [-] | | Except that they're loaning a bunch of money to their "customers" to "buy" their products. It's still really circular. | | |
| ▲ | etempleton 6 minutes ago | parent [-] | | This thing is going to explode. From this I have to imagine OpenAIs numbers are also going to be much worse than people imagine / what has been shared. |
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| ▲ | neosat 3 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| has anyone done the math on:
1. cost to build out and run the data centers
2. cost of compute (hardware and energy)
3. depreciation of legacy GPU and thus value at the end of 3 years. And then compare the $45B revenue from Anthropic to see if it's mostly break even or if one of Anthropic/SpaceX came out ahead on the contract. |
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| ▲ | chatmasta 2 hours ago | parent | next [-] | | SpaceX is already indicating their strategy on this, because they’re renting their last-gen data center to Anthropic and keeping the current-gen data center for themselves. Rinse and repeat. | |
| ▲ | electriclove 2 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | Maybe it is a win/win. Anthropic gets desperately needed compute at a fair price. SpaceXAI sells compute at a fair price and gets desperately needed revenues. | |
| ▲ | impulser_ 3 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | Well Colossus 1 has 230k GPUs, including 30k GB200s and Colossus 2 has 550k GB200s & GB300s. So my guess on costs would be like ~$10B for Colossus 1, and Colossus 2 would be like ~20b. | | |
| ▲ | denimnerd42 3 hours ago | parent [-] | | a GB300 rack is like 5-6 million so seems a bit low. | | |
| ▲ | impulser_ 14 minutes ago | parent [-] | | Yeah, maybe these aren't good guesses. I was basing it off CapEx and Elon's tweet about them. Maybe C2 isn't completely filled yet. |
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| ▲ | treis 3 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | It has $25 billion on AI cap expenditure in the S1. So generally looks like a solid deal for SpaceX. | |
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| ▲ | keeda 2 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| Whoa. I've said before, but I think Dario severely underestimated the coming demand and ensuing need for compute, and would need to pay through the nose when the crunch hit. I suspect that Google deal also worked out better for Google. This data point supports that view. While Altman got laughed out of the room as a "podcasting bro" asking for trillions in investment in compute, Dario was going on about how difficult it is to forecast capacity on the Dwarkesh podcast. Seems like a major unforced error on Dario's part. What I cannot understand is how they both came to such different perspectives; my best guess is that ChatGPT has so much more traffic that OpenAI could gauge the trends much better. This won't hurt Anthropic long-term of course, but this won't look great on that balance sheet, that too right around the time they plan to IPO. |
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| ▲ | sdwr 44 minutes ago | parent | next [-] | | They have different personalities. I can only imagine Altman wants to stay on top of the chaos, and believes he will come out ahead whatever happens, while Dario is trying to stay realistic and mitigate worst-case scenarios. | | |
| ▲ | stingraycharles 18 minutes ago | parent [-] | | Being drowned in demand and scrambling for compute because you’re more successful than anticipated is a better problem than the other way around. |
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| ▲ | s2cdd 38 minutes ago | parent | prev [-] | | Lmao wtf. Based on this post I can clearly see you've never properly understood what balance sheets are and how they are created. Stop posting stuff you have ZERO clue about. |
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| ▲ | LarsDu88 3 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| Wow! 3 years is an eternity at this level. |
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| ▲ | nolta 2 hours ago | parent [-] | | Anthropic can cancel the deal on short notice: “The agreements may be terminated by either party upon 90 days’ notice.” | | |
| ▲ | electriclove 2 hours ago | parent [-] | | Sure, either side could cancel. But Anthropic needs compute, and they found it in SpaceXAI. Why would they cancel the deal unless they don't need more compute or if they could get compute for less elsewhere (but where would that be realistically)? |
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| ▲ | baron816 3 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| Everyone laughed at Allbirds getting into the business of selling compute. |
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| ▲ | nickff 3 hours ago | parent [-] | | The reason people laugh at Allbirds is that they don't have the money or expertise to build a competitive offering. | | |
| ▲ | kube-system 2 hours ago | parent [-] | | They certainly have some big shoes to fill. But I'm glad they didn't die with their boots on, and got their foot in the door at this new opportunity. It certainly didn't help that they were running on a shoestring budget. | | |
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| ▲ | gjsman-1000 3 hours ago | parent | prev [-] |
| $45 billion for a 3 year rental. |
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| ▲ | TheAlchemist 3 hours ago | parent | next [-] | | What would be interesting to know how much did it cost xAI to build it ? Ai says between $18-$40 billion to just build, without running cost, but no idea how close to reality this is. | | |
| ▲ | jsnell 3 hours ago | parent | next [-] | | The AI row of the capex table in the S-1 should be a pretty close approximation. | |
| ▲ | pianoben 3 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | Nobody pays MSRP at that scale | | |
| ▲ | eightysixfour 2 hours ago | parent [-] | | Given global demand and that they were late to the order party, they probably paid more lol |
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| ▲ | btian 3 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | Closer to 18b than 40. Running costs are 1-2b a year. | | |
| ▲ | tristanj 2 hours ago | parent [-] | | More like $25 billion since 2025, with $7 billion of spending in the past 3 months. Look at page 22 of the filing. |
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| ▲ | pbmango 3 hours ago | parent | prev [-] | | Anthropic is getting capacity from Colossus 1 not Colossus 2 it sounded like. The initial colossus capex was under $5B, making that an even more astounding payoff. Edit: S1 states both are being leased so the 20-25B initial investment probably more relevant | | |
| ▲ | TheAlchemist 3 hours ago | parent | next [-] | | The S-1 states that it gets capacity from both Colossus 1 and Colossus 2. | |
| ▲ | gjsman-1000 3 hours ago | parent | prev [-] | | ... and a sign Anthropic couldn't find enough compute anywhere else, so they had to bite the bullet. Interesting. |
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| ▲ | thetrb 3 hours ago | parent | prev [-] | | how much did SpaceX / xAI pay for these GPUs? After 3 years they'll probably be mostly deprecated. | | |
| ▲ | electriclove 3 hours ago | parent | next [-] | | Are GPUs from 3 years ago being deprecated today? | |
| ▲ | moogly 3 hours ago | parent | prev [-] | | And how many of them were diverted from Tesla? | | |
| ▲ | electriclove 2 hours ago | parent [-] | | Pretty sure that Tesla didn't use Colossus. Tesla used Cortex 1 and Cortex 2 which are at the Gigafactory in Austin. |
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