| ▲ | gsky 4 hours ago |
| I'm pretty sure American gov won't react kindly |
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| ▲ | simonask 4 hours ago | parent | next [-] |
| Who cares at this point. Nothing has ever managed to unite Europeans as effectively as the orange man’s unrelenting torrent of temper tantrums over the past year and a half. Americans, we know some of you aren’t crazy. Can’t wait for the grown-ups to be in charge again, but in the mean time we’ll be moving on. |
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| ▲ | swed420 4 hours ago | parent | next [-] | | > Who cares at this point. Nothing has ever managed to unite Europeans as effectively as the orange man’s unrelenting torrent of temper tantrums over the past year and a half. > Americans, we know some of you aren’t crazy. Can’t wait for the grown-ups to be in charge again, but in the mean time we’ll be moving on. Assuming by "grown-ups" you mean Team Blue, then you'll be disappointed, because they manufactured consent for "orange man" every step of the way. People are too easily fooled by the good cop / bad cop routine, which is why it's continuously deployed. We have a uniparty with red and blue facades whose illusion apparently even pervades overseas. Buckle in for disappointment no matter where you live. As if your country doesn't have similar power struggles. It's capital interests against everybody else. Always has been. "Lesser of two evils" is still evil. | | |
| ▲ | DonHopkins 4 hours ago | parent | next [-] | | OK Doomer. | | |
| ▲ | swed420 3 hours ago | parent [-] | | Does that thought-terminating cliche still work on people? | | |
| ▲ | TMWNN 19 minutes ago | parent [-] | | This is DonHopkins we're talking about. Just be glad it was one line, as opposed to a lengthy off-topic screed relitigating online arguments from 40 years ago, complete with a mention of how he invented pizza menus. |
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| ▲ | moparts 4 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | Yeah. Couldn’t agree more. Trump and Obama are the same. | | |
| ▲ | swed420 4 hours ago | parent [-] | | Nobody said same. In fact, on a surface level, they're easy to view as polar opposites. One must critically examine beneath the surface to see how they're both on the same team (capital). | | |
| ▲ | moparts 3 hours ago | parent [-] | | What about sanders, mamdani, aoc? Or are they just fringe candidates and don’t count? For every AOC there are a dozen Schumers I guess. But I disagree with your thesis because there are factions of ethical capitalists in the democratic party that have never existed in the modern Republican Party. | | |
| ▲ | swed420 3 hours ago | parent [-] | | As a former Sanders supporter, it became clear that even though Bernie was likely acting in good faith, the establishment used all of their levers politically and in capital-controlled media to limit him to the role of controlled opposition. Emphasis on "controlled." > ethical capitalists That is not a coherent concept, especially in late stage capitalism. | | |
| ▲ | nozzlegear an hour ago | parent [-] | | I caucused for Sanders 2016 in Iowa. He lost the primary fair and square, and was mathematically eliminated before superdelegates even factored into the contest at all. Sanders had zero appeal outside of white, college-educated people like myself, whereas Clinton was very popular with minorities and white, college-educated people. She was just a better candidate for the Democrat primary, and if you want to win the general as a Dem, you have to win the primary first, periodt. Blaming the media, capitalism, Debbie whatshername and insider elites is just Bernie Bro conspiracy theory making excuses for a bad, unpopular candidate. > late stage capitalism This is not a coherent concept, it's a term that doomers use to blame all of their bugbears with western society on shadowy cabals of nebulous elites. Ethical capitalism is, in fact, real – just ask Bono. |
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| ▲ | nozzlegear 4 hours ago | parent | prev [-] | | This is just more trite "Muh both sides" doomerism. | | |
| ▲ | swed420 3 hours ago | parent [-] | | No it isn't. It's safe to assume you've either drunk the kool-aid or have something to gain monetarily (even if falsely assumed) by allowing the illusion to persist. Either way, you're literally part of the problem, as is anyone else who still takes this system seriously. | | |
| ▲ | nozzlegear an hour ago | parent [-] | | > It's safe to assume you've either drunk the kool-aid or have something to gain monetarily (even if falsely assumed) by allowing the illusion to persist. Either way, you're literally part of the problem, as is anyone else who still takes this system seriously. Is it? Am I? As a former Sanders caucuser who didn't fall for his supporters' both sides bullshit, perhaps some self-reflection on why running a candidate who's only popular with white people in Iowa would inevitably lose is in order. |
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| ▲ | stronglikedan 3 hours ago | parent | prev [-] | | Here's the thing: the grown-ups are in charge now. It's just that all spoiled, bratty children are too entitled to notice. It's like a scene from a movie where a serious teacher gets assigned to a class of misfits - no matter what the teacher does right, they'll always be "wrong". |
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| ▲ | WJW 4 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| America: You need to be more self sufficient and not lean on us so much! Europe: <launches European payment initiative> America: NOT LIKE THAT!!! |
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| ▲ | drstewart 2 hours ago | parent | next [-] | | >America: NOT LIKE THAT!!! Can you post a source supporting this? | | | |
| ▲ | dgellow 3 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | Just to add a little bit more context, European interbanking initiatives are older than Trump insanity. What we are seeing at play is a slow decades-old strategy finally bearing fruits. Though Trump is for sure a factor pushing for adoption. | |
| ▲ | weberer 2 hours ago | parent | prev [-] | | What a ridiculous strawman. A huge chunk of Americans are also calling for the end of the Visa/MasterCard duopoly and would love to jump on board to this. |
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| ▲ | rbanffy 4 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| I'm pretty sure European governments know that and are prepared to deal with the temper tantrum. |
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| ▲ | mrits 3 hours ago | parent [-] | | Which country in Europe is prepared to deal with anything? They can’t even break away from the country currently invading them | | |
| ▲ | torlok 3 hours ago | parent | next [-] | | Europe is dealing with the US, just not via empty threats on social media. Things take time when you have a functioning democratic system with checks and balances. | |
| ▲ | thibaut_barrere 3 hours ago | parent | prev [-] | | A bit rich on an article showing we are precisely breaking away, topic by topic, to something which is more balanced. |
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| ▲ | criddell 4 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| I wouldn't be so sure, at least not this administration. Fragmented monetary systems provide more opportunities for creative accountants and that's something the people running everything in the US seem to benefit from. |
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| ▲ | CodingJeebus 4 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| This action is a response to the tariff regime imposed by the US. The current administration decided that it was going to use its role as the leader of the global hegemon to threaten and coerce other countries, and actions like this are a result. The American government can threaten them all they want, problem is that they've been threatening everyone since Day 1. |
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| ▲ | toomuchtodo 4 hours ago | parent | prev [-] |
| https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=43284950 - March 2025 > “How can I decouple from the US as fast as possible?” is what this leads to. > Diplomacy is the art of saying “good dog” until you make it to the rock. The US will apply pressure for short term gain against allies while they move away long term. |
