| ▲ | Ygg2 3 hours ago |
| > -Acceptance: "Just dont write UB." Just switch to a saner language. And before I get attacked for being a Rust shill, I meant Java :P The bar is so low it's floating near the center of the Earth. |
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| ▲ | dns_snek 2 hours ago | parent | next [-] |
| > And before I get attacked for being a Rust shill, I meant Java :P If all you want is C but less insane then the obvious answer here is Zig. |
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| ▲ | simonask 2 hours ago | parent | next [-] | | Zig is cool, but it is not even close to being ready for prime-time. It will be pre-1.0 for a while, and major breaking changes are still happening. | | |
| ▲ | dns_snek 2 hours ago | parent [-] | | Sure, maybe don't bet your entire company on mountains of Zig code just yet, but aside from the breaking changes it's been perfectly usable and suitable for every project I've ever wanted to work on. |
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| ▲ | AgentME an hour ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | If someone is switching from C because it's too easy to trigger undefined behavior, picking one of the few other not memory safe languages is missing the point. | |
| ▲ | psychoslave 2 hours ago | parent | prev [-] | | If all somebody want is a programming language than C/C++ on these matter, there are plentiful options of the shelf to pick from. If all somebody want is a turn key replacement to C/C++ ecosystem, then there is nothing like that in the world that I’m aware of. |
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| ▲ | p2detar 3 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| > Just switch to a saner language. And where's the fun in that? |
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| ▲ | psychoslave 2 hours ago | parent [-] | | That’s a taste matter. Being recalled that what is expressed is always depending on some technical details on every move, this is great when one is loving technical details and have all the leisure time to pay attention to them. This is going to be hell compared to sound defaults for someone willing to focus on delivering higher order feature/functionality which will most likely work just fine. Unedefined behaviour means "we couldn’t settle on a best default trade-off with fine-tuning as a given option so we let everyone in the unknown". |
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| ▲ | xeyownt 3 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
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| ▲ | ErroneousBosh 2 hours ago | parent | prev [-] |
| Okay, so Java compiles to machine code now? Because the last time I looked it appeared to need some godawful slow bytecode interpreter that took up thousands of kilobytes of RAM. |
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| ▲ | elch 2 hours ago | parent | next [-] | | If you don't like JIT/JVM there's GraalVM Native Image. https://www.graalvm.org/latest/reference-manual/native-image... In the past you could use e.g. Excelsior JET. | |
| ▲ | pjc50 2 hours ago | parent | prev [-] | | Java has been jitted for .. decades? | | |
| ▲ | Hendrikto 41 minutes ago | parent [-] | | You know what JIT means, right? It means that is is not compiled from the start and indeed runs on a bytecode interpreter until the JIT compiler kicks in. | | |
| ▲ | fc417fc802 21 minutes ago | parent [-] | | The java JIT has produced sufficiently fast code for all but the most demanding of HPC applications for going on 20 years. I realize keeping up with new developments can be difficult but the out of date java performance memes are entirely ridiculous by now. Meanwhile half the world appears to run on cpython of all things. |
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