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Japan is gripped by mass allergies. A 1950s project is to blame(bbc.com)
103 points by ranit 8 hours ago | 37 comments
flohofwoe 2 hours ago | parent | next [-]

Hmm, most German forests are also vast monoculture 'tree farms' and have been for the last 250 years (also caused by large scale deforestation in the centuries before). In the Ore Mountains we also have those yellow clouds of pollen coming off spruce trees every few years, covering everything with a thin yellow dust layer, yet I'm not aware that the number of people with pollen allergies is exceptionally high (oth, maybe it was 200 years ago and by now the population has become immune, or maybe the tree pollen in Japan is just more aggressive...).

efesak an hour ago | parent | next [-]

The spruce and other local conifers (I live by the Bohemian Forest/Bayerischer Wald) have pollen that seems to be low allergenic by design. I know a lot of people who are allergic to birch or weed pollen, but not to spruce.

INTPenis 38 minutes ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Pollen allergies have definitely skyrocketed in Sweden. We used to be able to sit in an office and work all year without hearing people sniffle and sneeze.

Now it's like an epidemic, at least half the office is affected.

reeredfdfdf 28 minutes ago | parent [-]

Probably we can blame higher hygiene standards, or some other environmental factor for it. Forests haven't changed much in past decades.

Here in Finland I've never been affected by any kind of tree pollen at all, but somehow timothy grass pollen gives me horrible symptoms, forcing me to take antihistamine most of the summer. I lived my childhood near farmland and forests, so definitely got exposed to both forms of pollen at early age.

idiomaddict an hour ago | parent | prev | next [-]

I moved to Germany as an adult from a completely separate biome, and I’ve got terrible problems with allergies I never had in my home country

postepowanieadm an hour ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Spruce is also a problem in Poland, especially southern. Leaf trees have been replaced with "fast growing" spruce over a hundred years ago.

alphabeta3r56 an hour ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Germany has half the percentage of forest as Japan

Xmd5a 16 minutes ago | parent | prev | next [-]

"why do you sneeze, we don't do that Germany"

iLoveOncall an hour ago | parent | prev [-]

Hayfever allergy rates are growing around the whole world, Germany included.

OutOfHere a few seconds ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Doesn't pollen also have to do with the "gender" of the trees? Male trees emit pollen and female trees intercept pollen.

Not all species of trees are gendered, but various are. If reforestation used male trees at the expense of female, then pollen count will be higher.

Urban developers who made the mistake of using male trees, because they don't drop fruit/berries/seed pods, will make the residents suffer pollen.

hastily3114 3 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Interesting. I noticed that many people have hay fever in Japan, but I always just assumed it was genetic or something. I wonder if living there for a long time will make you more sensitive to pollen

mathieuh 12 minutes ago | parent | next [-]

It’s known that repeated exposure to allergens can cause allergic symptoms in people previously without them. For example https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bird_fancier%27s_lung https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Farmer%27s_lung

I actually seemed to grow out of hay fever when I was in my early 20s. Perhaps coincidentally this is also around the time I developed an allergy to cannabis from overuse. Wonder if they’re related somehow.

timr 2 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

As someone who has suffered from hay fever for my entire life, and also lived in many different locations, almost every move came with a 2-3 year reprieve from my symptoms while my body "discovered" the fun new local allergens.

mc3301 2 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Lots of people I know who moved here as adults have developed pollen allergies over the years. Some after a 2 or 3 years, some after 10.

tidenly an hour ago | parent | prev | next [-]

I got hayfever on my 3rd year of living here, and it seems like quite a common pattern among immigrants I've noticed. I have hayfever back in the UK too, but I guess I didn't have a Cedar allergy - so it took time to develop.

komali2 2 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

I'd been wondering why my allergies go nuts every time I visit Japan, but never really suffered in other Asian countries. Cool to know now.

Upside is I discovered the trick of just taking fexofenadine every single day which had the side effect of solving my chronic sinus infections.

petesergeant an hour ago | parent [-]

My quality of life is notably better from daily fexofenadine vs what I think was low-level allergies that I developed in my 20s to pets, dust, etc

Markoff an hour ago | parent | prev [-]

I would assume it has more to do with less exposition to hay/pollen in urban areas, for instance in years in Beijing I've had hardly allergies since it is not exactly green, though I went to parks, but here in Prague right now with everything blooming it's nuts.

Actually now that I think about it never head really problems with allergies even in Southeast Asia, though I was in very green areas, maybe humidity helps as well?

xchip 16 minutes ago | parent | prev | next [-]

This article could have been summarized in three paragraphs.

I'm really hating this trend of diluting content by giving useless testimonials, random anecdotes and delaying the resolution of the subject as much as possible.

dv_dt an hour ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Hmm, I'm also wondering about studies about overly sanitized environments for children being correlated with higher allergy rates.

I guess poking around for a good representative study, it's actually low diversity of microbial exposure, not "cleaning" per-se that is correlated - e.g this is one reason why households with dogs have lower allergy rates. A monoculture of certain tree species also implies less microbial diversity.

Terr_ 3 minutes ago | parent | next [-]

[delayed]

DANmode an hour ago | parent | prev [-]

It can go the other direction, too: exposure to moldy home environments gave me (now resolved) food sensitivities, dust allergies, pet-associated allergies, etc.

You can definitely undertrain, or overwhelm, the immune system if not cautious!

closetkantian an hour ago | parent | prev | next [-]

I first read about this in The Emptiness of Japanese Affluence by Gavin McCormick. Really good read.

pjc50 2 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Japan being 68% forest is an astounding stat.

PyWoody 5 minutes ago | parent | next [-]

Maine is 89.46% [0].

[0] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Forest_cover_by_state_and_terr...

Markoff an hour ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Still behind Finland (73.7%) and Sweden (68.7%) though and Laos (71.6%) as well.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_forest_ar...

vkou 2 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

75% of it is mountains, and not exactly inhabited.

Schlagbohrer an hour ago | parent [-]

The nation has also had declining population (hence deflationary housing) for years

sandworm101 11 minutes ago | parent | prev [-]

Not really for a mountain island. Being near the coast means increased moisture and wind, which hits mountains to make rain. Take a japanese-sized slice off the coast of most countries and you will find lots of forrest. Think the pacific northwest, or the bits of hawaii not covered in lava. Then compare parts of the australian coast with no mountains.

rimworld 28 minutes ago | parent | prev | next [-]

estimated 43% of the population --wow

lloydatkinson 2 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

Only two types of tree? Even in the 1970's surely that should have been cause for concern.

Mashimo 2 hours ago | parent [-]

This might have something to do with it:

> When the sugi and hinoki forests were first planted in the 1950s and 60s, they weren't meant to stand forever. At the time, it was assumed they would be gradually cut down and replanted over time, as had been the case before the war. But as Japan's economy boomed in the late 60s and 70s, major cities like Kobe and Tokyo grew rapidly, and it ended up being cheaper to import wood from other countries such as Malaysia and Indonesia.

thaumasiotes an hour ago | parent [-]

I don't get the relevance of "major cities grew rapidly". That can only mean that demand for wood spiked. There's no way it can cause local wood to become less competitive with imported wood.

freehorse 24 minutes ago | parent | next [-]

It sounds contradictory but it often does. When a part of the economy booms, it may make other parts of the economy less able to keep up because they cannot increase profitability at the same pace (so people will seek jobs with larger salaries, or investments will go different ways). Moreover, increase of demand can drive seeking cheaper sources of a product, which then overtakes the previous ones due to being cheaper (while before this increase due to regulations or lack of certain network/supply chain it may not have been possible or profitable enough to seek these sources).

martin_a an hour ago | parent | prev | next [-]

> There's no way it can cause local wood to become less competitive with imported wood.

But isn't that what we're seeing around the world? Be it cheaper labor, political control or whatever else, imported goods can be cheaper than locally produced goods.

niemandhier an hour ago | parent | prev | next [-]

It does: Cheap rural workers could get better paying jobs in the cities so wages increased in rural areas to

ZiiS an hour ago | parent | prev [-]

It required imported wood come what may, which opened up regulations and economies of scale that would have made importing wood expensive.